Michael Johnson Stroke

lightweights wrote:

ljkljlk wrote:

I always used to say, a sprinter that looks like he spends more time in the weight room than on the track is on steroids - MJ, Burrell, Johnson, Crawford, Gay, etc.

Take a look at Christian Coleman and his 15-year old girl arms and note the difference. Noah Lyles included. A minimal amoutn of muscle.

...or they actually do spend more time in the weight room than the track! Not uncommon.

Still, I will add Wayde van N, Andre DeGrasse and Donovan Bailey to the "lean and clean" list.

I wouldn't really call Bailey lean. Arms are smaller but pretty long too. His legs were the biggest of his era for sure.

Probably from PED.

C'mon- insane WR times in a sport filled with PED.

I sent my condolences to your momma for bearing you into the world. Your bitterness toward this athlete is so deep, it's pathetic. His sports training facility is a huge success, globally respected. I've known several trainers there. Their biggest client is Arsenal. He's an excellent broadcaster, too. Meanwhile, you are a nobody and just sit on your old azz and bi+ch about anything that doesn't come out of your precious Canada. Swallow a jagged maple leaf, bas+ard.

A TIA is not a “mini stroke”. There is no such thing as a “mini stroke”. It’s almost a stroke, but the clot doesn’t stick, and the brain doesn’t suffer anything like the damage that any and all strokes cause. I’m pleased for Johnson, but he didn’t have a stroke.

Just as I thought—nobody has given any numbers to back up the claim that Johnson’s experience is a common one for a clean person his age.

That particular thinly-veiled attempt to suggest that he is normal and therefore clean, fails—unless real numbers are produced.

Sprintgeezer wrote:

Just as I thought—nobody has given any numbers to back up the claim that Johnson’s experience is a common one for a clean person his age.

That particular thinly-veiled attempt to suggest that he is normal and therefore clean, fails—unless real numbers are produced.

I have no idea if MJ was clean or not. I also am not a medical researcher, nor do I have time to look up these numbers you want so badly. I can tell you that it is very possible for a person his age without a history of steroid abuse to have not just one but numerous TIAs. It happened to my father. Was he

"normal"? What's normal? He had a birth defect that caused his condition and eventually killed him. You have no idea what MJ's overall physical profile is. Looking at pictures of someone in a suit and watching them run fast down a track (something else my dad was also really good at) is not grounds for a sound medical diagnosis.

Do I have my suspicions about MJ? Of course. Always have. But it's stupidly reductive to think that the only explanation for his condition is steroid abuse.

MJ always struck me as a stand up guy, hard working guy, with both parents being teachers. He’s was a hard worker and talented. Plenty of 400m runners from his era were busted. I’m sure he was tested repeatedly. He never had a positive test. He has since open a successful high performance training facility in Dallas and has just opened another in the Middle East. He’s also a respected commentator of athletes/track in the UK. Hes done well both on and off the track and is a sprint legend. I wish him a speedy recovery.

While all the LRC trolls are busy ignorantly chewing this story to pieces, I thought I'd come on here and point out the fact that shortly after age 50 is when most people start showing symptoms of major health issues that will stay with them the rest of their lives. Odds are you end up with blood that puts you at risk of strokes or else with blood that puts you at risk of heart attack. Few people are fortunate enough to stay right in the middle and avoid cardiovascular disease as they age. Early strokes/heart attacks are always the scariest, because the victims typically do not know they are at risk and therefore have not taken actions to mitigate their particular cardiovascular disease. Patients might just attribute near-heart attacks to heart burn or near-strokes to headaches without checking for a real health issue. I'm glad for Michael Johnson that his TIA was mild enough to put it on his radar without serious injury and I hope the same kindness for the rest of you as you age.

Known steroid abusers the same age and older than Johnson w/out a history of strokes, cardiac arrest, etc:

-Arnold

-Ben Johnson

-Linford Christie

-Brian Bosworth

-Bill Romanowski

-John McEnroe

-Larry Bird

-Mike Golic

-Regina Jacobs

-Barry Bonds

-Sylvester Stallone

-Carl Lewis

-Butch Reynolds

-Marita Koch

-Mark McGwire

-Sammy Sosa

-Bruce Jenner

-Caitlyn Jenner

MJ the man wrote:

MJ always struck me as a stand up guy, hard working guy, with both parents being teachers. He’s was a hard worker and talented. Plenty of 400m runners from his era were busted. I’m sure he was tested repeatedly. He never had a positive test. He has since open a successful high performance training facility in Dallas and has just opened another in the Middle East. He’s also a respected commentator of athletes/track in the UK. Hes done well both on and off the track and is a sprint legend. I wish him a speedy recovery.

Nice to see that you slum with the little people.....

Well, if you had the diligence to actually read the thread you're trying to comment on, you would have understood that my very first post said exactly the same thing, only much more eloquently:

"I have wondered when these things would start happening, but overall it still seems like a crapshoot."

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To get you started, first TIA incidence has been reported variously as 0.42 per 1000 population in developed countries, or 150,000 per year in the UK. According to Wikipedia, over 60 yrs old is "a risk factor".

Maybe the bold commenters here who try to throw crap at the wall and see what sticks can actually do some work and find numbers for first TIA's in the USA for men around 50yrs old "who have never used PED's".

LMAO that last part. I would love to see the study that identified and controlled that factor. ROTFLMAO

MJ is just another Bolt. He not only beats but BLOWS AWAY known dopers, but doesn't get caught himself, especially as the 1996 games were on home soil and he was the golden boy, complete with golden spikes.

Jerome Young - busted 1999, banned for life after 2nd violation

Antonio Pettigrew - busted 2008, banned for 2 years while already retired

Calvin Harrison - busted 2003, banned for 2 years

Butch Reynolds - busted 1990, banned for 2 years

etc., not to mention the busted 200m athletes who he made look like complete chumps.

And so it goes. People draw their own conclusions. My opinion was formed before I had any knowledge of his health issues.

The health issues, I just wonder about, because it is impossible to conclude anything with any certainty--which I said well before losers started piling into this thread.

Actually Arnold has had a few heart surgeries.

Pretty sure Larry Bird never took steroids.

Bruce Jenner is Catlyn Jenner.

Also, you don't know there medicare records. They could easily have had surgeries and/or be taking medications for there past abuse and we don't know about.

Oh dear, you're a special kind of dumb

Bailey clean? HAHAHA!!!

He was client of Anthony Galea!!

You might not think Bird took steroids, but it's well known that Olympic basketball is the only Olympic sport that doesn't test for drugs because Bird was on a steroid regimen to deal with his back problems and knew he'd test hot. USA basketball demanded that there be no testing and there still is none to this day. Bird even writes about using steroids in his memoir, but I guess that doesn't matter either.

By the way, Bruce was a man. Caitlyn is of a different gender. End of story, OK?

"..,with a first stroke risk 2.70 (95% confidence interval: 1.86–3.91) times greater for black than white participants at age 45..."

Hard to argue with specific numbers in a study with a relatively high power value.

MurderDub wrote:Joe Biden had a brain aneurysm at around the same age and he has been giving inappropriate shoulder rubs and physically threatening presidents ever since.

Biden would kick fat Donny's ass tho

lol "MurderDub"

Skrizzy Blam wrote:

MurderDub wrote:Joe Biden had a brain aneurysm at around the same age and he has been giving inappropriate shoulder rubs and physically threatening presidents ever since.

Biden would kick fat Donny's ass tho

lol "MurderDub"

Probably true. Biden is easily roused to anger in his impaired state.