1:47.67 HSer Josh Hoey turns pro - Thoughts?

LoneStarXC wrote:

jjklj wrote:

rojo, maybe he has potential you are not seeing. All I see as a former full scholarship DI runner is a bunch of burnt out super talented runners once they are done with college. College destroys 99% of the runners there, which is why at my age, I'm one of the few left standing and still competing with Abdi and Meb from my "class".

good for this kid. I'm sure the adidas contract covers college tuition of his choice.

What do you mean by college destroys 99% of the runners? Injuries? Bad training? I’m a freshman running D1, so how do I avoid this happening to me?

You'll be a Former D1 Guy soon enough

Former D1 Guy wrote:

LoneStarXC wrote:

What do you mean by college destroys 99% of the runners? Injuries? Bad training? I’m a freshman running D1, so how do I avoid this happening to me?

You'll be a Former D1 Guy soon enough

I wouldn't worry. Unless you know you have a shot at being a professional athlete and making good money from doing so, enough to live on comfortably, then just cash in your talent now rather than holding yourself back.

I'm assuming you have some kind of scholarship, so that's a degree you are getting at a much better price than most of your cohorts, and is more likely to set you up than running.

If you are realistic, when you get a proper job in a few years you'll give up running competitively with or without college.

Just enjoy the ride and don't listen to the hate.

The elephant in the room with men's college sports is the dropping enrollment of men in college. As of 2015 the percentage of men at US colleges was 44%:

https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=98

In another decade or two we could be looking at enrollment numbers for men as low as 30% if something isn't done to reverse the trend. The combination of football, title IX and dropping male enrollment will result in the slow strangulation of non-revenue men's sports, it's already been happening for years, the writing was on the wall when it became an NCAA rule that men's track was only allowed 12.5 scholarships and women were allowed 18 in D1.

The fact that it's highly unlikely that even a star high school athlete like Josh Hoey can land a full scholarship makes the math on turning pro even simpler for these young athletes and their families. But Josh got lucky, for every one of him there are hundreds of talented young men with no prospect of a scholarship or even the opportunity to compete. If the track and field community in the US was smart we would start to take a careful look at alternative opportunities for our young athletes when they graduate high school, we can't rely on the collegiate system to develop our talented young men anymore.

SirReggie wrote:

Worked out for Mary Cain.

It did work well for Evan Jager.

We need more of these scenarios for good analytics.

CO Coach wrote:

The elephant in the room with men's college sports is the dropping enrollment of men in college. As of 2015 the percentage of men at US colleges was 44%:

https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=98

In another decade or two we could be looking at enrollment numbers for men as low as 30% if something isn't done to reverse the trend. The combination of football, title IX and dropping male enrollment will result in the slow strangulation of non-revenue men's sports, it's already been happening for years, the writing was on the wall when it became an NCAA rule that men's track was only allowed 12.5 scholarships and women were allowed 18 in D1.

At a larger D1 school, and even some smaller ones, Football and Men's Basketball pay for all the other sports or "non-revenue" sports. This is why all other non-revenue Men's sports are viewed as sports which can be cut and many are. Keep women's T&F and Soccer because the teams are larger and have more scholarships and you don't have to hire more coaches like you would for smaller sports like Golf & Tennis.

ex-runner wrote:

If you are realistic, when you get a proper job in a few years you'll give up running competitively with or without college.

Um... ever heard of Yuki Kawauchi?

Back in the day, before football and basketball generated big revenue, all sports were basically non-revenue.

Sports was all cost center. Funded by tuition, fees and donations.

Now that they have more money, they can’t afford track.

LoneStarXC wrote:

ex-runner wrote:

If you are realistic, when you get a proper job in a few years you'll give up running competitively with or without college.

Um... ever heard of Yuki Kawauchi?

How many Yuki's are there?

Exactly

What area in San Diego is this training group based? Who is in this training group at this point?

ex-runner wrote:

LoneStarXC wrote:

Um... ever heard of Yuki Kawauchi?

How many Yuki's are there?

Exactly

There’s only one Yuki, and there’s only one LoneStarXC.

/klj.hkk. wrote:

Dr. Nira Cain-N'Degeocello wrote:

You oversee a message board that is unquestionably a blight on the running community given how you operate it

But you are here.

Really? You somehow see "This message board sucks" as a logical contradiction? As if a formerly decent website that's gone to pieces under the weight of zit-crushing 20-year-old males occupying various spots along the autism spectrum should just be left to rot in that condition?

Have you ever walked into a room and exclaimed, "Wow, it reeks in this place"? If so, did anyone tell you "Well, YOU'RE here!" like it was some kind of "gotcha"?

If it's any consolation, you're probably no dumber than the average Letsrun regular.

Josh Hoey will run 1:45.5 within two years, and that will be his lifetime personal best. Nothing to be ashamed of, nothing eye-popping. He won't make any national teams, but he'll be uninjured often enough to compete for spots on a few.

We have 18 year olds running 12:43 for 5k.

We witnessed a young belgian, Sacoor 18 years old winning the 400 in Brussels.

Hoey given what his current 800 would only at make the NCAA final.

The world has a great crop of 800 meter runners.

Not a wise move for Hoey.

I quickly scanned the pages. I looked up the lad on Athletic.net. I cannot find a 400m PR. A 148.xx outdoor 800m person must have been asked to race a 200m or 400m relay leg every now and then? Maybe the young man feels college XC is not best for him. With a 3:50.xx 1500m PB, and no record of success in 400m, Josh Hoey would have been given a direct order to participate in college XC. Some posters are speculating that college academics are not for every one. Note: college XC is not for every one.

Star wrote:

Back in the day, before football and basketball generated big revenue, all sports were basically non-revenue.

Sports was all cost center. Funded by tuition, fees and donations.

Now that they have more money, they can’t afford track.

I agree! It's sad that this has ended up this way.

ironside wrote:

A 148.xx outdoor 800m person must have been asked to race a 200m or 400m relay leg every now and then?

Not quite how any of the Hoeys operated if it could be helped...

chesmont runner wrote:

ironside wrote:

A 148.xx outdoor 800m person must have been asked to race a 200m or 400m relay leg every now and then?

Not quite how any of the Hoeys operated if it could be helped...

I am sure, a sub-1:49 outdoor 800m person as is Josh Hoey is capable of sub-51 400m. Are you implying if he were told to race a 400m relay leg, Josh Hoey would refuse? Except for some high schools in southern CA, TX or FL, a high school T&F coach would usually appreciate a sub-51 400m runner.

Bump

Not sure if it was mentioned, but it looks like his older brother, Jaxson, has gone pro too. His PRs are significantly slower, but he has been on a consistent upswing over the past few years. It’ll be interesting to see how he develops.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BnGogVcAVzq/

ironside wrote:

chesmont runner wrote:

Not quite how any of the Hoeys operated if it could be helped...

I am sure, a sub-1:49 outdoor 800m person as is Josh Hoey is capable of sub-51 400m. Are you implying if he were told to race a 400m relay leg, Josh Hoey would refuse? Except for some high schools in southern CA, TX or FL, a high school T&F coach would usually appreciate a sub-51 400m runner.

Not to mention, he went through the quarter in 51 back when he ran his PR. Hoey obviously has the leg speed for a 48 High to 49 mid.