1:47.67 HSer Josh Hoey turns pro - Thoughts?

Yep St Patrick's is a secondary school which Rudisha moved across the country to attend because of the coaching there, and he left as a 1:44 guy. It's better than any American university.

Read Coe's book, he also trained under George Gandy at Loughborough. His dad was still the overall boss of course but he went to 'college' and got a degree, and Loughborough was the place that could support his athletic career as they do in the NCAA. George Gandy devised and oversaw many a session for Coe. He ran 1:42 whilst a student there.

Getting a degree is very useful these days and if you can get it for free then it's a good idea. If his athletics career goes nowhere then he has nothing

Since it has been mentioned several times what a great coach Mahon is does anyone have any examples of someone that he actually developed? Don’t say Ryan Hall either.

A lot of coaches that have pro groups proved themselves at the NCAA level. Gags, Schumacher and now Fox. I can’t think of anyone this guy made better. Seems like he changes jobs as often as Hoey’s change schools.

jkk,nb. wrote:

bloviating wrote:

Idiotic stream of consciousness post by a “journalist” of the sport. Spoken like a Republican trust fund baby though. What I find disgusting is an uninformed “adult” using his platform to question the decision on an 18 yo. Besides the mythical status of sub 4, this isn’t much different than Drew Hunter turning pro and his gangly new born pony running continues to be gushed over. Why should these kids be raced into the ground for system that cares little about them. For a “brand” development? What a joke!

Rojo has stated in this forum that he is a Democrat.

Proof/link to where he said he was a Democrat?

Pro (dual meaning here)

Maybe he got 50-100k base salary? That is more than he would pay for college and now he can use it on any school he wants whether they have a good track team and coach or not. Or just train and see where it takes him.

Mahon is a good coach.

Con

Mahon may not be the best 800/1500m coach (limited pro success since leaving Mammoth). If already coached by Mahon, where does he go from here? Is there a growth path?

Coach Ben Thomas now at Oregon (Hoey previously committed here?) is a proven coach for those events.

If given a full scholarship, it might be worth more long term.

Hope his decision goes well for him. It's his life. Let him live it.

Holy Communication Batman! wrote:

This is all I want to know: Since it was a "God given opportunity," how did God get the word to Adidas, the Mission Athletics Club and Terrence Mahon that they had a Divine Mandate to participate in Hoey's professional career? Were there stone tablets involved? Angels at the foot of someone's bed? Instructions revealed on a burnt piece of toast? Inquiring minds want to know!

Oh GOD almighty!!! OH GOD AlMIGHTY!!! I swear there’s no schizophrenia here....

I go both ways on this issue.if he just wants to run and is willing to put all of his eggs in that basket, that's great. College isn't for everyone. But I know how much I enjoyed college,friends, being a part of a school team. But these guys that Oregon recruited were never about team. Hoey didn't even run in the spring to even mention. Oregon recruited two kids that were both trying to go pro. One transferred, the other went pro. I do know that his times are average for college in track and extremely average in xc. Good luck to him. I would prefer my kid experience life with his peers and get a degree, while running fast. You can do all of those at the same time.

This is not about Oregon. He could have switched to many other schools. Besides, they hired an awesome middle distance coach. How about this idea for guys in the future who are considering this.? Take a gap year and race and train as a pro only do not accept a salary. If it is not working out well then go to college as a nineteen year old.

Probably not a good idea. 1:47 is good for hs, but pretty average in college. I remember when Michael Granville ran 1:46 as a high schooler and never really got any faster. And he he staying with his high school coach?

Good for him.

He's what, 18 or 19?

He can still attend school, the only difference is he will have to compete in open races.

He's getting a head start financially.

I wish him all the best.

that must be it.. college not his thing

$80k per year is the word on the street in Chester County.

So let’s say it’s an $80k base pay.

That’s pretty good right out of college, let alone high school.

He can get a place or a roommate and live well.

He travels for free for meets. Gets meals paid for.

Adidas can pay his college tuition or reimburse it and it’s not taxable income to him.

It’s a common business expense.

This all marketing expense for Adidas and we are talking about them now.

Not a bad ROI probably.

Now, if Adidas did this for a college junior that had similar times but didn’t advance from the NCAA semis that would be a head scratcher.

But this is for potential and attention.

And they really got our attention.

guster wrote:

When is Letsrun going to release their article on pro contract amounts?

wejo said they will release the results after the DL Finals.

Fred Gwynne wrote:

Since it has been mentioned several times what a great coach Mahon is does anyone have any examples of someone that he actually developed? Don’t say Ryan Hall either.

A lot of coaches that have pro groups proved themselves at the NCAA level. Gags, Schumacher and now Fox. I can’t think of anyone this guy made better. Seems like he changes jobs as often as Hoey’s change schools.

Morgan Uceny.

napp wrote:

Fred Gwynne wrote:

Since it has been mentioned several times what a great coach Mahon is does anyone have any examples of someone that he actually developed? Don’t say Ryan Hall either.

A lot of coaches that have pro groups proved themselves at the NCAA level. Gags, Schumacher and now Fox. I can’t think of anyone this guy made better. Seems like he changes jobs as often as Hoey’s change schools.

Morgan Uceny.

She was a four time All American at Cornell so I can’t count her. Don’t say Deena Kastor either. I really don’t know how this guy gets these jobs.

Fred Gwynne wrote:

napp wrote:

Morgan Uceny.

She was a four time All American at Cornell so I can’t count her. Don’t say Deena Kastor either. I really don’t know how this guy gets these jobs.

Plenty of four-time AAs don't make the jump to pro running. Morgan did, and it's reasonable to suppose that coaching helped.

My point I was making is the guy has only coached professional runners. Never really paid his dues proving that he could develop runners or mold a cross team for HS or the NCAA. Seems weird that he stepped right into the professional ranks. Unlike Gags, Schumacher and now Fox.

Keep it simple - if you are going to take the sport as serious as you can given a limited time period for further improvement, you don’t want any distractions, just total focus. This amounts to a first world problem. The kid has the luxury to choose between splitting his time training and getting a degree or just training and having a custom schedule. The truth is we don’t have nearly enough runners sacrificing that much to make it. This may turn out to be a bad idea for him if it doesn’t work but is great for the sport.

Didn't see anyone ask for your thoughts