Official 2018 Zurich DL Live Discussion Thread - Will Jager break 8:00?

Cheruiyot reminds me of a chariot. Not just because of the name but because his form focuses all his energy in one direction in a very rigid manner.

MeHereYouWhere?! wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

Jager's fate is no sub 8. Had a chance but now too late.

That's great, but why all the hate? Maybe today is the date, mate.

Wasn't hatin'. Not debatin'. Only givin-it-to-you-straightin'.

ex-runner wrote:

m!ndweak wrote:

i tell you all know, with the big man kiprop no longer able to stay "clean" in the new testing in kenya, there will be a huge fear going on, and boom you will watch, more will be planting potatoes, claiming injury, and running SLOWER....but there will still be the ones trying to risk it and booom busted, busted busted.

predictions

3:33-35 for kenyans, 3:31-32 at monaco

13:05-13:10 for kenyans

27:20s for kenyans

2:06-08 for kenyans

the heat is on, the mighty proud and arrogant kiprop has fallen and now EVERYONE in kenya will start to fear.

All those involved in those threads know you and Coevett made these predictions. Both were wrong.

Coevett interestingly put himself in a position by claiming sub 3:33 is dodgy and 3:30 outright doping but then his favourite Scandinavians went 3:30.0 and 3:31.1

Just checked and it seems mostly spot on. In the 1500, there is only Cheryout and Manangoi, but the rest of top Kenyans are indeed 3:33-3:35.

In the 5000, it is indeed 13:05-13:10

In the 10000, it is indeed 27:20

In the marathon, Kenyans have fallen hard. Only a few below 2:06. Only Kipchoge with a 2:04. Most top guys between 2:06-2:08 indeed.

drugs drugs drugs wrote:

Lyles makes it obvious. Runs at a high level all year. Constant steady drip of drug.

Assuming you think he is on some anabolic, "Constant steady" is not how it works. Doped athletes usually have a couple of amazing performances in a season. Lyles has made consistent and predictable progress over the last 4 years. Lyles has raced frequently and at a high level going back to last year. That not typically how it works with doping.

Btw, I would prefer you not respond unless you have an informed and thoughtful response. You can't just put the shield of shame on a young man with nothing more than that the fact that he is running fast and is consistent. Anyone who has been following Lyles since age 16 should not be surprised that his running fast.

I like how you said "raced frequently," coach.

I'm afraid a few in this current group of track stars just don't get it.

[quote]FFF wrote:

Nike just needs to go away.

Wow, one black shoe one white shoe. Brilliant!

Wow, everyone wear black shorts and sublimated green top. Brilliant!

ugh.[/quote

Yeah, there was way too much of the same outfit out there. Makes it hard to tell who is who. Even the Bowerman club could use an upgrade IMHO. Their kits look bland. Then again, I know it's about going fast and not necessarily looks. Brooks and New Balance seem to be good at having some more fun kits.

FFF wrote:

I like how you said "raced frequently," coach.

I'm afraid a few in this current group of track stars just don't get it.

Being called a doper is almost on par with being called pedophile; I hate it when people make that type of accusation with no basis. Lyles ran 10.14 and 20.18 as a high school junior, the following year, he set the H.S. 200m national record and won the World Juniors 200m. Lyles just turned 20 a week ago, why would the world's most promising young sprinter start his career by doping?

Great 5000m race.

Obiri is a beast, and is clearly a 5000m specialist and is queen of that distance.

Hassan has so much range, but Obiri is just too strong.

Dibaba is laboring, just didn't look good from the start of the race, and was midfoot striking. She was dominant in the first half of the season, but just have not been the same since picking up an injury in a DL race.

WC is going to be insane next year...just insane.

TrackCoach wrote:

FFF wrote:

I like how you said "raced frequently," coach.

I'm afraid a few in this current group of track stars just don't get it.

Being called a doper is almost on par with being called pedophile; I hate it when people make that type of accusation with no basis. Lyles ran 10.14 and 20.18 as a high school junior, the following year, he set the H.S. 200m national record and won the World Juniors 200m. Lyles just turned 20 a week ago, why would the world's most promising young sprinter start his career by doping?

You really think they don't dope in high school? Gimme a break.

looking at it.. wrote:

ex-runner wrote:

All those involved in those threads know you and Coevett made these predictions. Both were wrong.

Coevett interestingly put himself in a position by claiming sub 3:33 is dodgy and 3:30 outright doping but then his favourite Scandinavians went 3:30.0 and 3:31.1

Just checked and it seems mostly spot on. In the 1500, there is only Cheryout and Manangoi, but the rest of top Kenyans are indeed 3:33-3:35.

In the 5000, it is indeed 13:05-13:10

In the 10000, it is indeed 27:20

In the marathon, Kenyans have fallen hard. Only a few below 2:06. Only Kipchoge with a 2:04. Most top guys between 2:06-2:08 indeed.

Mindweak come on. I never disagreed that 13:05 would be somewhat accurate, that's the times we have seen every year. It represents top tactical running today. Ethiopia has always been the king's in this area anyway! Not Kenya! And it remains that way with the 13:01 world lead.

There have been no top level 10ks this year. No diamond leagues at all.

The discussion was about the 1500 which is clearly insanity. You predicted a MASSIVE drop off in times, from 3:30s to 3:33 and you were entirely wrong. Nothing changed this year whatsoever! Kenya never had 20 guys under 3:33 at once, it's always been 3/4 top guys.

There have been 9 runs by 3 Kenyans under 3:33 this year and it's not even a championship year.

Three times under 3:30.

Monaco was 3:28 not 3:32.

I really wouldn't speak too soon with the marathon. Have you heard of Berlin? Or Chicago?

rojo wrote:

Why would Jager let the pace dawdle? Doesn't he know he's never going to beat those guys in a 400 sprint?Haven't we seen that time and again?

Off the sauce?

rojo wrote:

Talk about buzz kill. Jager isn't even going for it. As a fan the BTC's lack of racing is annoying as hell. My god. You ran 8:01 6 weeks ago and you can't even go for 8:00? They'd better set up a time trial before he calls it a season.

I'm rooting for Kipruto as he's got one shoe on.

People please don't bash me. I love the BTC and I'm speaking as a fan here not as a journalist.

Can’t dope optimally if you’re racing and getting tested often.

I had no time to pay attention but looking at the results now...jeez what a lame azs meet.

I though this was the big one?

Hardloper wrote:

yyy wrote:

58.96 from the bell. Was HB 4 secs behind? Doubt it

Yeah definitely wasn't that fast

NOT 58.96 from the bell. That was the split for lap 12, including the dawdling 200m up to the bell. They were 13:43 at the bell. Last 200m was 27.2. One of the fastest last 400m of any women's race ever, any distance.

Er... wrote:

Insane number of commercials. What happened to the pace in the second kilo?!

Get the NBC Gold. Pay money so they know we have a real sport, that we care, that it pays to show it all. I grimaced when I paid the bill, but then seeing all the meets without commercials? Love it. Supporting my favorite sport and watching live or replay at the time of my choice and able to skip ahead over events I don’t find compelling.

The only downside. If you travel outside of the USA, as I do, no access. Otherwise, though costly, pays me back in time saved and pure enjoyment of great meet competitions. If we want track to live, treating it like an important sport with our wallets simply has to be part of it. No other way. (Well, ads pay for it, too, but I see how little you enjoyed that). :)

upyose wrote:

They were 13:43 at the bell.

Obiri was 13:39.8 at the bell.

TrackCoach wrote:

Being called a doper is almost on par with being called pedophile; I hate it when people make that type of accusation with no basis. Lyles ran 10.14 and 20.18 as a high school junior, the following year, he set the H.S. 200m national record and won the World Juniors 200m. Lyles just turned 20 a week ago, why would the world's most promising young sprinter start his career by doping?

Lyles was old for his grade, so grade and HS specific records don't hold as much relevance to your argument as you'd think.

kiowavt wrote:

Get the NBC Gold. Pay money so they know we have a real sport, that we care, that it pays to show it all.

Please pay someone, anyone, besides NBC. Let them think we don't care so they will finally go away.