John McCain Appreciation

I can see stupid in Alaska wrote:

I still don’t for the life of me know what he was thinking when he picked Palin as his running mate. Yeah I know he wanted to lock up the hard right but wow what an epic miscalculation.

The pick of Palin was one of desperation - a hail Mary. All indications pointed to a major Democratic win and McCain needed something to shake things up.

It was a major blunder but nothing would have helped. Bush's ratings were in the toilet, the economy was on the verge of a total collapse, and we were fighting ground wars in 2 Middle Eastern countries. The country was ready for a change.

douglas burke wrote:

The 2 things that impressed me the most about McCain was when he was a prisoner of war and they used every torture technique on him imaginable to try to get information, the only information he gave them was his name, rank and that he loved his country so much, he would never tell them anything and he NEVER DID.

The other thing that was impressive was when Trump said McCain was not a Hero for being captured (Which is true, McCain was a hero because he never caved when he was tortured) McCain never let that bother him and he never tried to get back at Trump in any way.

McCain was a truly Jingoistic Patriotic American, who went through life totally in love with the USA.

US State Department said over and over again the same nonsense you just said. Because US State Department said McCain never talked, so like a little puppy, you say McCain never talked. All this talk of honor. How honorable was McCain as a member of Keating 5? McCain and others of Keating 5 were part of a fraudulent banking racket. You and your buddies cannot keep lying regarding McCain's record.

6 term waste wrote:

Condolences to his family.

But he is why we need term limits.

Agreed condolences to the family and man himself, who would have been in a lot of pain. But America needs term limits (as does every other western democracy).

Are people supposed to be phony the die someone dies? wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

An imperialist war criminal doesn't deserve an appreciation thread.

People are still dying in Syria and Libya because of him. When's the last time you appreciated them?

So many on letsrun are mouth kissing McCain now. Ask Ross Perot about John McCain. Perot paid for McCain's first wife's medical bills when she was in an auto accident while McCain was overseas. McCain came home and left her. McCain was part of the Keating 5. Google: Keating 5. If US listened to McCain every time McCain opened his mouth we'd be on World War 6 by now!

Yep agreed

I respect him.

True middle of the road politician who was officially Republican but often voted with Democrats and seriously considered running as John Kerry's VP on the Democratic ticket in 2004. As we see in this thread, the love and hate for him are about evenly split between the parties, with most people kinda "meh" about him.

He spent 99% of his career voting for rich people and corporations, and against the interests of blacks and everyday citizens.

Death is sad, sure. It reminds of each of our own mortality. It's amazing how much greater of a man McCain got in death than he actually was in life.

Twitter has been all over itself giving him an after died bj, it's a bit much. I don't know what todays definition of "hero" really is. Surviving pow status is inspiring and admirable. Hero? Maybe. Not convinced. The dude had average mentality and values for an 81 year old. And he only cared about super wealthy, right down to the money babe he married into.

It's sad that Americans are so superficial about these things. He supported theft by his party, and racism, and corporate welfare. --In a country where there is a "money supply," artificially increased whenever they want -- he voted against the poor, ill and "tan," with one notable exception. ACA.

Iy's sad but normal that he died at 81. Sad also, that he didn't do more, much more for the 2m vets returned from Iraq and Afghanistan with PTSD. (Internal estimate by SD Vet Hospital, the governments figures are considered lies by most veterans.)

Barack Obama says:

"“John McCain and I were members of different generations, came from completely different backgrounds, and competed at the highest level of politics,” Obama, 57, wrote. “But we shared, for all our differences, a fidelity to something higher — the ideals for which generations of Americans and immigrants alike have fought, marched, and sacrificed.

The statement continued: “We saw our political battles, even, as a privilege, something noble, an opportunity to serve as stewards of those high ideals at home, and to advance them around the world. We saw this country as a place where anything is possible — and citizenship as our patriotic obligation to ensure it forever remains that way.”

Obama’s statement went on to reference McCain’s military service — and the five years he spent in captivity as a prisoner of war in North Vietnam.

“Few of us have been tested the way John once was, or required to show the kind of courage that he did,” Obama wrote. “But all of us can aspire to the courage to put the greater good above our own. At John’s best, he showed us what that means. And for that, we are all in his debt. Michelle and I send our most heartfelt condolences to Cindy and their family.”

foolish propaganda wrote:

Who started the foolish propaganda: McCain a POW for six years. McCain never talked. Think about all the CIA, CIA contract agents and those suspected of being CIA killed overseas over the past forty-years. Steve Kerr, basketball coach. His father was accused of being a CIA contract agent. Dead. Colonel Higgins, USMC. Dead. Daniel Pearl, accused of being a contract CIA agent. Dead. So McCain, a commissioned officer. McCain, son of a US Navy Admiral, a man who was allowed in the highest level meetings. Are you telling me McCain did not talk but North Viet Namese allowed him to live for six years?

So, for a minute, you Moran, think about what he could of told them! Think about it long and hard...

He was a pilot. Think about it. Idiot. Moran.

McCain, along with Lindsay Graham, was the most shameless puppet for AIPAC our nation has seen.

The most cowardly pol of our age -- no small feat.

10/10

I hope that my children will have better heroes.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1024927/The-wife-John-McCain-callously-left-behind.html

What I appreciate about him:

1. In Vietnam he did a stupid stunt with his plane that killed 130 Americans. Also, he was himself the reason for his captured by the Vietcong.

2. He cheated on his wife

3. He sold America out to the military industrial complex.

NewtotheSouthSide wrote:

I hope that my children will have better heroes.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1024927/The-wife-John-McCain-callously-left-behind.html

It’s called honoring the dead. Not out of admiration for the life, but out of respect for the struggle.

Hope. Pray. Beg that you are given the same kindness.

Bad Wigins wrote:

IQ45 trolls wrote:

Unfortunately there are certain people who work to convert an appreciation thread into a political one. Very small minded people.

An imperialist war criminal doesn't deserve an appreciation thread.

People are still dying in Syria and Libya because of him. When's the last time you appreciated them?

No one cares what you Russians think BW. Seriously, stop posting on this site. Your FSB/GRU talking points are of no interest to the LRC community.

FFS you don’t even understand the proper / correct definition of a leftist!!! LOL at your biased ignorant world view.

One less neocon on earth wrote:

What I appreciate about him:

1. In Vietnam he did a stupid stunt with his plane that killed 130 Americans. Also, he was himself the reason for his captured by the Vietcong.

2. He cheated on his wife

3. He sold America out to the military industrial complex.

Judging a dead man by less than the full measure of his life is like judging an actor’s career by a single role.

^This.

Death comes for us all wrote:

One less neocon on earth wrote:

What I appreciate about him:

1. In Vietnam he did a stupid stunt with his plane that killed 130 Americans. Also, he was himself the reason for his captured by the Vietcong.

2. He cheated on his wife

3. He sold America out to the military industrial complex.

Judging a dead man by less than the full measure of his life is like judging an actor’s career by a single role.

And, by what he pushed for as far as foreign policy and the wars he pushed for, he is a war criminal by that alone. He was a consistent warmonger for decades. Think of all the innocent life lost due to his warmongering. Think of all the American life's lost due to shills like him. Think of all the us debt created by the endless wars around the world. Which boomers like he won't havr to worry about. But your grandchildren will. Think what he pushed for as far as foreign policy goes caused the current migration problem in Europe.

One less neocon on earth wrote:

Death comes for us all wrote:

Judging a dead man by less than the full measure of his life is like judging an actor’s career by a single role.

And, by what he pushed for as far as foreign policy and the wars he pushed for, he is a war criminal by that alone. He was a consistent warmonger for decades. Think of all the innocent life lost due to his warmongering. Think of all the American life's lost due to shills like him. Think of all the us debt created by the endless wars around the world. Which boomers like he won't havr to worry about. But your grandchildren will. Think what he pushed for as far as foreign policy goes caused the current migration problem in Europe.

Why would ever so grossly oversimplify reality? Human action requires cooperation and some degree of consensus, and so the blame is always shared.

If every man shouldered the full brunt of his crimes, every man would be called a monster. That’s why we honor the dead.

Death comes for us all wrote:

NewtotheSouthSide wrote:

I hope that my children will have better heroes.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1024927/The-wife-John-McCain-callously-left-behind.html

It’s called honoring the dead. Not out of admiration for the life, but out of respect for the struggle.

Hope. Pray. Beg that you are given the same kindness.

Where's the balance though? This thread was created to honor him. Do we honor him and ignore the fact that he was a womanizer who treated his first wife despicably?

An article like this won't be written about me. Do we just choose to ignore this out of respect and only talk about positive things? It just feels like we're sweeping bad behavior towards women under the rug. Don't talk about that because then we would have to address it.