Robertson twins denied entry to NY 'thon

pnw_runner wrote:

The congressional wrote:

Lives and trains most of the year in AZ homie.

He's referring to Lagat's A sample that tested positive before his B sample cleared him, not about his geographic location.

Even than geography doesn't matter. Didn't this guy trained up in Arizona?

pnw_runner wrote:

The congressional wrote:

Lives and trains most of the year in AZ homie.

He's referring to Lagat's A sample that tested positive before his B sample cleared him, not about his geographic location.

Then he should probably research the matter instead of looking silly.

rojo wrote:

[quote]fdgstg wrote:

I wan thim wearing the LRC singlet, however. We'll rip that puma logo off it and put adidas on it. Do we know if he's the younger or odler twin? If he's the younger twin, I'll agree to coach him as well.

Have another drink before you go back to P*rnhub, Rojo! Nice typing, BRO.

DC Wonk wrote:

Jake would beat all American runners except for Rupp, and he’s doing the loaded Chicago race. Hoping the weather is good.

Thanks a lot Drumpf.

Idon't think Rupp would be much of a problem..

Sure thing RoJo. Go for it.

Bring the boys to NYC. I'm in.

And don't take the PUMA label off. Why not ask PUMA to pitch in.

Why can't the Robertsons just ask for complimentary elite entry and then ask their sponsors to cover everything else? Is NYC that opposed to letting them run, their sponsors that cheap, or are they just asking for too much? Seems like they could run at the marathon if they really wanted to.

What are you talking about wrote:

Steve Jones 1988 wrote:

Not exactly the same circumstances but Steve Jones won the 1988 New York marathon in a plain singlet after Reebok dropped his sponsorship. Sometimes you gotta take things into your own hands.

https://www.nyrr.org/about-us/nyrr-hall-of-fame/steve-jones

Not sure how this relates to this dialog. Steve was already in the race and ready to go.

His deal with Reebok had nothing to do with him running NYC or not.

They re-signed him shortly afterwards where he still is today.

NYC is months away...the Robertson twins could absolutely 100% run this race, they just wouldn’t receive an appearance fee or expenses. I’m sure their sponsors would cover the expenses and they would likely receive a bonus for placing high. The issue here is money, which was the same issue that Steve Jones faced. The only difference is the source of where the lack of funds is coming from. Steve Jones didn’t have a sponsorship contract but likely received an appearance fee. The Robertsons have a sponsorship contract but the race hasn’t agreed to an appearance fee or expense dollars.

If the Robertsons want to run the race on their own dime no one is going to stop them and obviously Nike would cover their expenses and make sure that they were included in the elite field. The only issue is they wouldn’t receive an appearance fee. NYRR isn’t going to block their entry if the Robertsons and their sponsors pay their own way.

If NYC really wanted Americans and wanted them to win, they would stop bringing in so many East Africans, but that will never happen nor do I agree with it, especially when there's a 500k cash prize on the line that everyone should have a somewhat equal shot at getting.The Robertson should be able to have their entry and travels paid for, an appearance fee probably not much if anything.

The only problem is, doping in Kenya (and other E/N African countries) has been so rampant, but the average viewer who doesn't run or hobby jogger that doesn't read up on running, but will be watching the NYC marathon doesn't know that. All they think is "E Africans are just genetically gifted and train hard so they usually win road races". Appearance to viewers is a lot of what NYRR cares about, no matter how much they say they're against doping because at the end of the day, they still need money. They're not going to give someone like the Robertsons who aren't E African or American a chance, because not only do they not a super good shot at winning, but even if they mess around and do, it won't get the same amount of hype compared to G Kamworor or Shalane Flanagan.

I contacted the NYC directly about this - they didn't deny the twins entry. They denied sponsoring their flight and hotel. Typical brits trying to act like Americans are hating on em.

If the Robertsons were dark skinned or migrants, the leftist, sjw, globalist, multi culturalist, society plunderers, nation ruiners would already have one of these ploys in motion:

Free Robertson!

#metooRobertson

Robertson Lives Matter!

Robertson Strong

We are all Robertsons

Honestly sounds like a typical whiny lib millennial snowflake. The US gov is worried about illegal immigrants! Get over it!

sbeefyk2 wrote:

I mean, to be fair, these guys are dirty as they come. They go from average elites to good elites after moving to Kenya (the place where EPO seems to be rampant). And you expect me to believe they are clean?

Deny them entry to every big race. They are dopers and still aren't the best. At least guys like Asbel Kiprop put on a show while doping. These guys are mediocre at best.

+1

I mean they might not be “as dirty as they come”, but people love to deny racism when pointing out East African doping by saying that the area is currupted, but when the robertsons get much better training in the same areas, no one questions it. They are definetly dirty.

Longdistancerunning wrote:

sbeefyk2 wrote:

I mean, to be fair, these guys are dirty as they come. They go from average elites to good elites after moving to Kenya (the place where EPO seems to be rampant). And you expect me to believe they are clean?

Deny them entry to every big race. They are dopers and still aren't the best. At least guys like Asbel Kiprop put on a show while doping. These guys are mediocre at best.

+1

I mean they might not be “as dirty as they come”, but people love to deny racism when pointing out East African doping by saying that the area is currupted, but when the robertsons get much better training in the same areas, no one questions it. They are definetly dirty.

I agree that their incredible performances and remote training locations are definitely enough to warrant suspicion, but I feel like they are particularly anti-doping compared to most pros. Weren't they getting threats in Kenya for whistle blowing? I suppose they could be complete sociopaths and be secretly doping while whistle blowing, but that just seems so much riskier than it needs to be.

Until I see/hear something sketchier about them, I consider myself a fan!

I like how Dubai does NO APPEARANCE FEES, have crazy high Prize Money Rewards, and let whoever wants to run, run.

I am sure the Overwhelming majority of American runners would prefer this, as would most foreigners, especially Kenyans and Ethiopians who get less in appearance fees than runners who are clearly not as good as them.

Also more fans would watch if the pay were higher, Example Advertisement watch the NY Marathon where the winner gets the $2 Million Dollar first prize or whatever it would be if they dropped the appearance fees and put it into Prize Money ONLY, and pay 10-20 deep.

NY Timer wrote:

I contacted the NYC directly about this - they didn't deny the twins entry. They denied sponsoring their flight and hotel. Typical brits trying to act like Americans are hating on em.

A New Zealander is not a Brit. They are Kiwis.

Like if you are an American, you are a Septic Tank.

And Australian is an Aussie.

An Englishman is a Pom.

If you trying to insult someone get it right.

old d1 guy wrote:

Muffy wrote:

That's not really how these things work. What he should have said was "We were denied entry (with our stipulation that they cover travel and lodging expenses and pay us an appearance fee)". As a sub elite no where near the caliber of runner as them, I can get into most any race I want to in the world if I say, "I don't need anything, I just want to run the race." Elite directors will at least give me a general field entry.

As a former D1 guy, I can attest to this. I can also normally get a free field entry

Not ot be a dick, but what does being a D1 guy have to do with any of this???

Who are the Robertson twins?

Frank Shorter here wrote:

Who are the Robertson twins?

Ever hear of "Frank and the twins?"

--It's Frank calls his balls.

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