Colleen Quigley wins 1500 in Poland

Donezo wrote:

mo money mo problems wrote:

You like her chances better trying to take down one of Houlihan, Simpson, or Rowbury (not to mention Grace and B Mart) over her chances of just having to tuck in behind Coburn/Frerichs and beat Lawrence, Kipp, and Garcia?

You'll never see Rowbury at that elite level again.

At what elite level? Able to beat Quigley in a 1500m?

The clock is ticking wrote:

aa wrote:

When was the last time BMart ran a good race? Or didn’t stumble in a race? Colleen has beaten Grace head to head. Rowbury is old. This is not to disparage any of them; I like them all.

I agree with you about BMart and Grace. Internationally, one is a has-been, the other, a never-was.

As for Quigley, the real question is not whether she can break 4. The real question is whether she can break 4:03. Houlihan is the only American woman now under 30 who has gone under 4:03. Everyone else -- including Quigley -- is stuck at 4:03/4/5. As Simpson & Rowbury age out, some of those 4:03/4/5 women will make the Olympic and World Teams. But unless they get faster, they will not be competing for medals internationally.

For what it's worth, Quigley is a year older than Houlihan.

The third fastest American of all-time at the mile is hardly fitting for a “never was”.

Congrats, Colleen!

Just my opinion. I could probably do some analysis showing that Quigs has won many more 1500m/miles than steeples, but that wouldn’t be fair necessarily bc the steeple isn’t contested as much.

The same people who say Quigs should just do the steeple probably crap on Alexi Pappas for running for Greece. Both seem like fallback, safe options to me.

mo money mo problems wrote:

The third fastest American of all-time at the mile is hardly fitting for a “never was”.

1) Sorry if I wasn't clear, but I was talking about Grace, not Rowbury.

04:16.7 Slaney

04:17.3 Simpson

04:20.3 Rowbury

04:20.7 Grace

2) I did say that Grace was a never-was "Internationally." I don't see how you can argue otherwise. Unlike the Big Four, Grace has never finished in the top 3 in any elite international mile or 1500 race. When she set her mile PB, she finished 8th. She was well beaten. She was 6 seconds behind the winner, 4 1/2 seconds out of 3d, and 3 1/2 seconds behind Jenny Simpson.

Grace is a very good American runner, but a non-presence internationally.

Race video: http://sport.tvp.pl/38613225/memorial-kamili-skolimowskiej-sofia-ennaoui-druga-w-biegu-na-1500-metrow

If Colleen can stay injury free, she could easily improve both her 1500 and steeple times by a good margin. Her range is impressive. In college, she was also a top XC runner while having the speed of a 1500 runner. She just has to stay healthy.

The barrier wrote:

If she focused on the 1500 she would very likely break 4:00

Actually steeple training can make you a better 1500 runner than simply 1500 training. Look at Jenny Simpson and Anna Willard early in their careers. Both were American record holders in the steeple who went sub 4 in the 1500 the year after.

aa wrote:

"I just think she is much better at the 15"

Just my opinion. I could probably do some analysis showing that Quigs has won many more 1500m/miles than steeples, but that wouldn’t be fair necessarily bc the steeple isn’t contested as much.

The same people who say Quigs should just do the steeple probably crap on Alexi Pappas for running for Greece. Both seem like fallback, safe options to me.

Her 9:15 is the 169th fastest time ever. Her 4:03.02 is the 1264th fastest time ever.

Now I get it that the steeple is a newer event, but even still, 4:03 has been broken 340 times since 2010. I don't understand how one could have the opinion that she's better at the 1500m.

You are correct that the steeple is the safer option. That's the point. Why give up an almost assured spot in the World Championships to have to compete with other for a 3rd spot in an event that you don't have evidence that you're better in internationally?

I love fastk8, but... wrote:

mo money mo problems wrote:

The third fastest American of all-time at the mile is hardly fitting for a “never was”.

1) Sorry if I wasn't clear, but I was talking about Grace, not Rowbury.

04:16.7 Slaney

04:17.3 Simpson

04:20.3 Rowbury

04:20.7 Grace

2) I did say that Grace was a never-was "Internationally." I don't see how you can argue otherwise. Unlike the Big Four, Grace has never finished in the top 3 in any elite international mile or 1500 race. When she set her mile PB, she finished 8th. She was well beaten. She was 6 seconds behind the winner, 4 1/2 seconds out of 3d, and 3 1/2 seconds behind Jenny Simpson.

Grace is a very good American runner, but a non-presence internationally.

Alright that's fair - you did say Internationally and I forgot about Rowbury's 4:20.3.

The original point you responded to, though, was that Quigley would have to compete with Kate, amongst others, to even make the US team in the 1500m. That's a domestic competition, so her international resume, or lack thereof, is less relevant.

The clock is ticking wrote:

aa wrote:

When was the last time BMart ran a good race? Or didn’t stumble in a race? Colleen has beaten Grace head to head. Rowbury is old. This is not to disparage any of them; I like them all.

I agree with you about BMart and Grace. Internationally, one is a has-been, the other, a never-was.

As for Quigley, the real question is not whether she can break 4. The real question is whether she can break 4:03. Houlihan is the only American woman now under 30 who has gone under 4:03. Everyone else -- including Quigley -- is stuck at 4:03/4/5. As Simpson & Rowbury age out, some of those 4:03/4/5 women will make the Olympic and World Teams. But unless they get faster, they will not be competing for medals internationally.

For what it's worth, Quigley is a year older than Houlihan.

Kate Grace easily has the potential to go sub 4.

joedirt wrote:

The barrier wrote:

If she focused on the 1500 she would very likely break 4:00

Actually steeple training can make you a better 1500 runner than simply 1500 training. Look at Jenny Simpson and Anna Willard early in their careers. Both were American record holders in the steeple who went sub 4 in the 1500 the year after.

They were far better 1500 runners than Steeplers...Jenny ran 9:12 the year she ran 3:59. Williams was a 9:20s steeplechaser.

If Garcia cant get back to top form, Colleen has 3rd spot by over 10 seconds and 2019 World team will have 4 slots with Emma’s bye.

CapnPerv wrote:

Star wrote:

You had me at Colleen Quigley

So this thread definitely needs pics.

I was expecting PICs, too.

Send nudes.

Dearest Brojos,

Why did I get a message saying that LRC think I'm a spammer after reporting these comments?? LRC is a message board about running. Comments like this are sexist and they have no place here. Yet, I am a spammer for reporting them? I think you need some help at identifying spam.

South Sider

CapnPerv wrote:

Star wrote:

You had me at Colleen Quigley

So this thread definitely needs pics.

I was expecting PICs, too.

Send nudes.

Did NCAA ban Quigley from modelling whilst at Florida State, even though she was a working model prior to that?

Anyone?

Does/should NCAA have that much power to impact/negate someone's ability to earn income? Even when such abilities are outside of sports.

Would a child actor be banned from acting during college years, even as a walk-on athlete?

sfafaf wrote:

Kate Grace easily has the potential to go sub 4.

I would love to see Grace go under 4, but her record says that isn't going to happen. Her PB is 4:03.59, set last year when she finished 7th at Pre. Since then, she's run:

4:04.05

4:04.64

4:04.76

4:05.01

After that, it's all 4:06 and up.

Maybe she's still adjusting to the BTC training, and she'll eventually do a Houlihan and run some fast races. But right now, she sure looks like just another American woman who is stuck at 4:03.

PS She's running an 800 in a few hours in Italy. I predict it will be more of the same.

You could look it up wrote:

sfafaf wrote:

Kate Grace easily has the potential to go sub 4.

I would love to see Grace go under 4, but her record says that isn't going to happen. Her PB is 4:03.59, set last year when she finished 7th at Pre. Since then, she's run:

4:04.05

4:04.64

4:04.76

4:05.01

After that, it's all 4:06 and up.

Maybe she's still adjusting to the BTC training, and she'll eventually do a Houlihan and run some fast races. But right now, she sure looks like just another American woman who is stuck at 4:03.

PS She's running an 800 in a few hours in Italy. I predict it will be more of the same.

4:20.70 is worth better than all of those 1500m times.

lookharder wrote:

4:20.70 is worth better than all of those 1500m times.

I agree that the 4:20 is her best time at any distance. I certainly hope she can run a 1500 that fast. Sadly, there are lots of runners whose PB is way better than any of their other races.

Only time will tell which category Grace fall into.

NewtotheSouthSide wrote:

CapnPerv wrote:

I was expecting PICs, too.

Send nudes.

Dearest Brojos,

Why did I get a message saying that LRC think I'm a spammer after reporting these comments?? LRC is a message board about running. Comments like this are sexist and they have no place here. Yet, I am a spammer for reporting them? I think you need some help at identifying spam.

South Sider

Sorry, I thought I was on theChive.com. Different sense of humor there.

All the best to Miss Quigley.