Illegal alien, i mean undocumented immigrant, charged with killing Iowa runner Mollie Tibbetts

facts and reason wrote:Enough of the trolling from leftist anarchists. Let's talk about real solutions to solve the poverty problem.

You mad bro? You brought up anarchism. You claimed that having open borders would be anarchy.

facts and reason wrote:I want to "stick it to the right-wing man".

Yeah dude

facts and reason wrote:

I don't want to waste time responding to anonymous trolls who want anarchy and open borders just to "stick it to the right-wing man".

I've already won the debate.

Enough of the trolling

Why are you so angry and why are you critical of freedom which made the USA great?

I think it is great that liberal bashing threads like this are allowed to flourish but ones critical of conservatives, like the one questioning the military as a socialist jobs program, are deleted.

sadfsdfsdfsdf wrote:

I think it is great that liberal bashing threads like this are allowed to flourish but ones critical of conservatives, like the one questioning the military as a socialist jobs program, are deleted.

I'm pretty sure the "conservatives" are getting bashed here. They have resorted to repeating nonsense and try to change the subject when their contradictions are exposed.

Maybe Trump hates illegal immigrants so much and that's why he underpays them! Libotard.

Alternative reason wrote:

facts and reason wrote:I want to "stick it to the right-wing man".

Yeah dude

Enough quibbling.

The murder story has taken a new twist. The murderer knew his victim, as his "girilfriend" and now baby momma, was in the same class in high school as the victim.

"girilfriend" wrote:

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/08/24/iowa-murder-casts-spotlight-farms-hiring-undocumented-immigrants/1075320002/

"Farmers across the country saw exactly what would happen if the government took an enforcement-only approach after Arizona passed an anti-immigration bill in 2010, leading a half-dozen states to follow suit. The laws, which included the requirement that all businesses use the E-Verify system, sent undocumented immigrants out of those states in droves.

Alabama's immigration law pushed up to 80,000 workers out of the state, according to a study conducted by the University of Alabama.

Georgia's immigration law led to more than $140 million in unharvested crops in 2011 because so many workers fled the state, according to a report commissioned by the Georgia Fruit and Vegetable Growers Association.

The fleeing workers in Arizona resulted in an average 2 percent drop in the state's gross domestic product every year through 2015, according to an analysis conducted by The Wall Street Journal.

Finding American workers to make up for the shortfall was just as difficult. In Georgia, Gov. Republican Nathan Deal turned to people on probation in 2011, but most walked off the jobs almost immediately."

Sounds a bit like Trump's "numbers you wouldn't believe, in reverse."

Way too much discussion on this. Hey, Republican LRC-ers, why can we talk about this right now and be distracted by inner members of Team Trump being charged with felonies but we can't talk about policy when it comes to a shooting that was done by a white dude?

Thought and prayers. We should end this discussion while the family grieves.

NewtotheSouthSide wrote:

Way too much discussion on this. Hey, Republican LRC-ers, why can we talk about this right now and be distracted by inner members of Team Trump being charged with felonies but we can't talk about policy when it comes to a shooting that was done by a white dude?

Thought and prayers. We should end this discussion while the family grieves.

I'm going to go way out on a limb here and guess that the victim's family is not spending any time on this thread and therefore will not be impacted by our discussion in any way.

Libs would only care if the illegal alien used an AR-15 to commit the murder.

theJeff wrote:

Libs would only care if the illegal alien used an AR-15 to commit the murder.

One can always count on you to say something stupid and bigoted, Jeff. Way to go!

WaytoGoJeff wrote:

theJeff wrote:

Libs would only care if the illegal alien used an AR-15 to commit the murder.

One can always count on you to say something stupid and bigoted, Jeff. Way to go!

You are saying I am wrong, then?

Fwiw, I somewhat agree with the denotation, but not the connotation, of being called "bigoted". I am always willing to be educated, but I am amazed at the stubbornness of both sides these days. (You are right, though - in fairness, I should have said "Conservatives will only care if the killer is an Illegal or black; Libs will only care if the murderer is a cop or used an AR-15.")

But stupid? I disagree.

According to you, thejeff, you started out as an economics major with hopes and dreams of being a big time investment analyst. Thank you for proving to the world once again that you lack the necessary IQ to have a higher end job.

Why would unemployed Americans decide to engage in hard labor for low pay when they can enjoy a equal/better standard of living simply remaining unemployed? What gets left out of the whole "they do the jobs that Americans won't" narrative, besides the fact that that statement is incredibly dehumanizing to foreigners, is that it is our welfare system, not the innateness of being American, that created the aforementioned laziness.

you started wrote:

According to you, thejeff, you started out as an economics major with hopes and dreams of being a big time investment analyst. Thank you for proving to the world once again that you lack the necessary IQ to have a higher end job.

It appears as though you believe that all teachers have low IQs, when it could be that it was only the teachers that failed you that share that trait.

Jeff Wigand wrote:

Duane wrote:

My posts are from the perspective of the girls family.

https://people.com/crime/mollie-tibbetts-aunt-statement-donald-trump-illegal-immigrant/

Very important post and point, even though everyone else tried to ignore it. Dating to Newt Gingrich with the Susan Smith case Republicans have tried to twist any tragic case in their favor. Newt blamed liberalism on the mom drowning her kids. Turned out the Smiths were one of the most conservative families imaginable. Whoops.

But that hardly stopped the trend. Great job by Mollie's family member to speak out against social media racist types and the right wing media for trying to use this tragedy for political gain. The family has already indicated they will not be silent if Republicans attempt to use this in campaign advertising. I'll post some of the specific paragraphs along with another link, this one from Des Moines:

"It is not your right to exacerbate this grievous act by hijacking Mollie and all she believed with your racist fear-mongering. You do not get to use her murder to inaccurately promote your 'permanently separated' hyperbole. You do not have permission to callously use this tragedy to demonize an entire population for the acts of one man.

"No. We reclaim our Mollie."

...which stage of grief is "denial"?