Illegal alien, i mean undocumented immigrant, charged with killing Iowa runner Mollie Tibbetts

Hi vee wrote:

The fact remains that she would be alive if the illegal never made it here. I don’t care what race an illegal is, we should do everything possible to enforce immigration law. It is cute how the left want to try to play the race card with regards to illegal immigration. But hey, they somehow weave race into nearly every argument - except when they are saying someone is homophobic or anti women. One lie after another.

This guys immigration status is relevant. I don’t think it should be the main argument.

If illegal immigrants commit violent crime at a higher rate per capita than others then the notion of keeping illegals out because of their violent tendencies becomes relevant. Otherwise no.

Unless of course you are one of the geniuses who believe that it is safer to liver in a city of 10,000 with 10 murders per year than to live in a city of 1,000,000 with 20 murders per year. In that case, your stupidity and ignorance leave little hope for rational discourse.

FFF wrote:

Iowa is full of migrant workers, farmers prefer hiring them because they can save money.

Source: Me. Lived in Iowa. Got this info from the horse's mouth.

Horses can talk in Iowa? Cool.

Trump2020OP-the real one... wrote:

Are there bad citizens in the US? Yes. Do bad people come in all flavors? Yes.

The point is that non-citizens here illegally commiting crimes are a security problem that the government should be able to control to better protect its citizens from.

No need to make this a race issue. It's a security and sovereignty issue.

M.A.G.A...

And yet another genius ^

Unless of course you are one of the geniuses who believe that it is safer to liver in a city of 10,000 with 10 murders per year than to live in a city of 1,000,000 with 20 murders per year. In that case, your stupidity and ignorance leave little hope for rational discourse.

Pookie Washington wrote:

Just gross. wrote:

Really? Had he not been allowed in the country, she wouldn't be dead. Yet, you still defend him? Even after he's killed someone? You have a sickness.

So what? Would it make you or her family feel better if the killer was from California? Do you get upset when illegal immigrants kill people of color? Why doesn't Fox News cover that? It's only a problem when it's some white girl. Black Lives Matter

That was somebody's daughter and friend! If BLM then why do black people kill each other?

Smarter Than You Is Easy wrote:

Unless of course you are one of the geniuses who believe that it is safer to liver in a city of 10,000 with 10 murders per year than to live in a city of 1,000,000 with 20 murders per year. In that case, your stupidity and ignorance leave little hope for rational discourse.

Interestingly enough, there is virtually no US city of 10,000 with a murder rate of 10. That makes the case that rural-area citizens are mostly non-violent citizens, and urban liberal-run areas are the largest sources of violence.

You must be so smart! You can do elementary school math. So impressive and proud you are.

How about the fact that she would be alive if he never was here illegally? And maybe we should start with the fact that illegal means illegal. He had no right to be here. Stop using kid math to try to prove an irrelevant point.

There must be Confederate statues in Iowa and Chicago, yeah - that's it! More diversity please!

This news will keep the House Republican in the fall, and give Trump 4 more years. Sorry, Flagpole.

Blue cities wrote:

Smarter Than You Is Easy wrote:

Unless of course you are one of the geniuses who believe that it is safer to liver in a city of 10,000 with 10 murders per year than to live in a city of 1,000,000 with 20 murders per year. In that case, your stupidity and ignorance leave little hope for rational discourse.

Interestingly enough, there is virtually no US city of 10,000 with a murder rate of 10. That makes the case that rural-area citizens are mostly non-violent citizens, and urban liberal-run areas are the largest sources of violence.

Since it is a made up stat it doesn't make any case all but is rather an example of a logical fallacy. You might want to look up logic since your statement is devoid of it.

Trump2020OP-the real one... wrote:

Are there bad citizens in the US? Yes. Do bad people come in all flavors? Yes.

The point is that non-citizens here illegally commiting crimes are a security problem that the government should be able to control to better protect its citizens from.

No need to make this a race issue. It's a security and sovereignty issue.

M.A.G.A...

I basically agree with you. The best arguments for border control is that countries have every right to decide who enters and stays, and that if immigration rate exceeds assimilation rate, you get increased social strife.

But it's annoying that the conservative media will highlight this anecdotal incidence of an illegal alien committing a violent crime in an effort to argue for border control. It's the same kind of tactic the Left always uses; replacing good arguments based on evidence with bad arguments based on anecdote. The Left is forced to adopt this tactic because all of their opinions are devoid of good argument or evidence. It's unfortunate that in order to counter the Left, the Right has to adopt their stupid tactics that end up making everyone even more stupid. But I guess that's the way of the world.

flagpolesnightmare wrote:

This news will keep the House Republican in the fall, and give Trump 4 more years. Sorry, Flagpole.

*eyeroll*

BS wrote:

Blue cities wrote:

Interestingly enough, there is virtually no US city of 10,000 with a murder rate of 10. That makes the case that rural-area citizens are mostly non-violent citizens, and urban liberal-run areas are the largest sources of violence.

Since it is a made up stat it doesn't make any case all but is rather an example of a logical fallacy. You might want to look up logic since your statement is devoid of it.

Geez, that's ironic. But, with that said, are you stating that rural areas are more violent than urban? I ask this because, logic.

Blue cities wrote:

Smarter Than You Is Easy wrote:

Unless of course you are one of the geniuses who believe that it is safer to liver in a city of 10,000 with 10 murders per year than to live in a city of 1,000,000 with 20 murders per year. In that case, your stupidity and ignorance leave little hope for rational discourse.

Interestingly enough, there is virtually no US city of 10,000 with a murder rate of 10. That makes the case that rural-area citizens are mostly non-violent citizens, and urban liberal-run areas are the largest sources of violence.

Are you aware of the notion of the "hypothetical" - figures used not necessarily representative of any actual US city but are used for illustration purposes only?

Smarter Than You Is Easy wrote:

Blue cities wrote:

Interestingly enough, there is virtually no US city of 10,000 with a murder rate of 10. That makes the case that rural-area citizens are mostly non-violent citizens, and urban liberal-run areas are the largest sources of violence.

Are you aware of the notion of the "hypothetical" - figures used not necessarily representative of any actual US city but are used for illustration purposes only?

Ohhh, hypothetical. Got it! Thanks

DA

student of economics wrote:

I believed in NAFTA when it became policy for our region of the world. Libertarian orientated GOP, Libertarian orientated DNC and Libertarians were for NAFTA. Xenophobes are what is called GOP now. If what is left of GOP really want to shut of labor moving north from Mexican-US border, why do not all in GOP call for an end of NAFTA? Why do not all of you in GOP call for it to be a FELONY to hire undocumented labor? I never read post from socially right leaning people calling for it to be a felony to hire undocumented workers. If it were an enforced felony to hire undocumented labor, undocumented labor would decrease significantly in US.

I'm conservative, and think it would be a great idea to make it a felony to hire illegal aliens. I also think we should greatly expand our work visa programs so that businesses that need migrant labor can easily do so through legal means. Which could work well if we also got rid of the ridiculously misguided minimum wage laws.

Here is what I do oppose; an immigration rate that exceeds assimilation rate. So that you have large blocks of society that develop closed communities that don't feel a kinship with their host country. I'm not talking about "little Italy, or "little China" where first generation migrants tend to operate businesses. I'm talking about having a society that let's 2nd generation immigrants (and beyond) live without the desire to assimilate, and as a result, they develop animosity toward the host country. This is what results from "mass" immigration. I'm also opposed to Leftists who fan the flames of this animosity to agitate for increased government programs in order to "fundamentally transform this nation," as Obama put it.

Hi vee wrote:

You must be so smart! You can do elementary school math. So impressive and proud you are.

How about the fact that she would be alive if he never was here illegally? And maybe we should start with the fact that illegal means illegal. He had no right to be here. Stop using kid math to try to prove an irrelevant point.

Ah, yet another genius.

If illegal immigrants commit violent crime at a higher rate per capita than others then the notion of keeping illegals out because of their violent tendencies becomes relevant. Otherwise no.

Unless of course you are one of the geniuses who believe that it is safer to liver in a city of 10,000 with 10 murders per year than to live in a city of 1,000,000 with 20 murders per year. In that case, your stupidity and ignorance leave little hope for rational discourse.

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How about the fact that there are many illegals who are murdered by citizens and that without those illegals the murder victims would have been citizens instead? Unless of course you believe in magic (with lots of sparkly fairy dust) wherein US citizens would magically commit fewer murders if illegal aliens were not here.

The simple fact is that with regards to the danger of murder from illegal aliens the only statistics that matter are the murder and victim rates per capita for illegals and citizens. This is perfectly obvious to anyone with a functioning brain.

Subject switch wrote:

student of economics wrote:

I believed in NAFTA when it became policy for our region of the world. Libertarian orientated GOP, Libertarian orientated DNC and Libertarians were for NAFTA. Xenophobes are what is called GOP now. If what is left of GOP really want to shut of labor moving north from Mexican-US border, why do not all in GOP call for an end of NAFTA? Why do not all of you in GOP call for it to be a FELONY to hire undocumented labor? I never read post from socially right leaning people calling for it to be a felony to hire undocumented workers. If it were an enforced felony to hire undocumented labor, undocumented labor would decrease significantly in US.

Well, this is off topic, but since you're so smart at 'economics'...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxMInSfanqg

The Democrats and Republicans are both morans for saying there needed to be more regulation to prevent the housing bubble. The only thing needed was for banks to know that if they create, or buy, bad loans, they will have no one to bail them out when the borrower defaults. They would not have made the bad loans in the first place. But they knew all along that the government would bail them out. Fannie/Fredie where by definition "government backed lenders."

The government demanded more loans be given. The banks lobbied for government grantees on the bad loans, and the obvious results followed. Both Dems and Repubs, and everyone who bought houses they knew they couldn't afford were complicit in this giant Ponzi scheme. And we still refuse to understand the plainly obvious facts of how economics works. Instead blaming everyone else, and pretending there's some magical "regulation" that could fix it all. We're just as stupid now as we were before the recession. We're totally screwed.

flagpolesnightmare wrote:

This news will keep the House Republican in the fall, and give Trump 4 more years. Sorry, Flagpole.

I guess you have to try to talk yourself into that. FOX News tried to pretend toward the equivalency. Likewise Rick Santorum on CNN a few minutes ago made an attempt, "There were three big stories today..."

Meanwhile, try to name something else that happened on the day of the Saturday Night Massacre from Richard Nixon in 1973. Lotsa luck.

The Cohen/Manafort developments on the same day will be historic decades from now. I've seen countless analysts say people will remember where they were when the news broke. Only the pathetic and mostly laughable state of current white conservative America would dare to pretend that a very sad but hardly pivotal story out of Iowa was somehow on the same level. That story won't make the list of Top 100 stories from 2018, at year's end.

But no doubt it will be pushed. Conservatives have nothing else, other than fear.

I guess other people here follow Investigation ID too...

I've been thinking of working for the FBI. Maybe my marathon experience will help me in the physical fitness test.