Jerry Schumacher vs Alberto Salazar: Who Has Burned Out the Most Runner's

Neither.

Either you break or you make it at the professional (and final) stage.

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Why would you think that an apostrophe belongs at the end of your subject line?

Jerry:

Chris Derrick

Chris Solinsky

German Fernandez

Andrew Bumbalough

Elliott Heath

Emily Infeld

Sammy Silva

Brent Vaughn

Lisa Uhl

Could argue Lopez Lomong & Matt Tegenkamp. Lopez is having a good year. Ryan Hill has struggled lately as well.

Woody Kincaid, Josh Thompson, Matt Hughes, Marc Scott soon to follow.

At that level you can either do that kind of training or get out.

Alberto doesn’t train many elites really. I think Jerry coaches more runners so it’s hard to compare.

All I said was I think it’s hard to compare. Both Shalane and Galen do well because they are tough , can train hard and their bodies can take it. Nothing bad. They both have different coaches.

But some can’t. It’s tough job. Some people are just more injury prone. That’s it.

Hxjskdjsjj wrote:

Jerry:

Chris Derrick

Chris Solinsky

German Fernandez

Andrew Bumbalough

Elliott Heath

Emily Infeld

Sammy Silva

Brent Vaughn

Lisa Uhl

Could argue Lopez Lomong & Matt Tegenkamp. Lopez is having a good year. Ryan Hill has struggled lately as well.

Woody Kincaid, Josh Thompson, Matt Hughes, Marc Scott soon to follow.

That is some carnage indeed from Jerry. Of course he gets a pass because he seems friendly and nice vs the devil of Salazar. A better question is why the Bowerman Babes are doing so great and the men (Other than Jager/Moh) are so average.

I believe in woody Kincaid. That guy has a vicious kick.

Why one gets credit for webb?

coachcommentsnicely wrote:

Neither.

Either you break or you make it at the professional (and final) stage.

Respectfully disagree. Some elite athletes recover better than others. They may get to the same elite level but one will take longer. Breaking an athlete and then saying “well I guess they couldn’t make it” is not serving the athlete properly.

Hxjskdjsjj wrote:

Jerry:

Chris Derrick

Chris Solinsky

German Fernandez

Andrew Bumbalough

Elliott Heath

Emily Infeld

Sammy Silva

Brent Vaughn

Lisa Uhl

Could argue Lopez Lomong & Matt Tegenkamp. Lopez is having a good year. Ryan Hill has struggled lately as well.

Woody Kincaid, Josh Thompson, Matt Hughes, Marc Scott soon to follow.

Would you really consider their careers as negative?!

Derrick- 3x USA xc champ, 13:08/27:31

Solinsky- first american under 27:00, 12:56

Infeld- Olympic team, wc bronze 10k

Uhl- Olympic team 10k

Matt Hughes- multi time Canadian steeple champ, Olympic team steeple

Marc scott- bronze Euro champs 5k

At that level, injuries are a given. It's a fine line between elite fitness and catastrophic injury.

Salazar:

Ritz

Mary Cain

Nicole blood

Cam Levins

Puskedra

Dorian Ulrey

Erdmann

See how easy that is?

He didn’t say they had negative careers. He said they athlete got burned out.

Ritz didn’t burn out. ALsal resurrected his career and got him to 60 flat, 2:07, 12:56 and he had the healthiest stints or career.

Puskedra didn’t burn out either.

Everyone else — absolutely burned out.

Then I suppose you could certainly take derrick, solinsky, fernandez, heath, uhl, bumbalough, and infeld off the OP's list then if we're just considering injuries.

woah Salazarust be rlly bad if he burned out Nicole Blood without ever even coaching her

*salazar must

fghrunner wrote:

*salazar must

Absolutely. I don't know why I wrote Nicole Blood- maybe the Oregon connection on my brain? I'm thinking of another young 5000m gal, whose name I obviously cannot recall.

I counted injuries as burnout. Never said they didn’t run well at some point. The problem is longevity and consistency. For a coach that doesn’t let his athletes race much, or have much control at all, Jerry has had a lot of athletes with inconsistent results. Listen to any interview with Jerry’s athletes. They get asked a question and their response is “I don’t know, it’s up to Jerry.” From workouts to tactics to racing schedule he controls it all, with little input from the athletes.

To burnout you also have to burn brightly.

Solinsky in 2010 but was broken beyond repair within a year.

Chris Derrick & Ryan Hill has great first year or two befor struggling with injuries.

Hughes and Huling haven’t/didn’t PR under Jerry.

I could go on.

The right answer is Mark Rowland.