Believe it or not, yesterday was the birthday of Gwen Jorgensen's son Stanley.
A year ago, almost none of us thought she was going to transition to the marathon, and she was in the hospital giving birth. Just a reminder of how far she's come even if it hasn't been smooth sailing.
Crazy thing is I think her best performance of the year was her 15:15 indoor 5k in her first race back. She was also 7th at nationals in the 10k, 5th at Peachtree, and then 8th at Beach to Beacon. Her most recent runs haven't been that impressive to me, but she's now training for a fall marathon.
In her latest youtube video she said,
"I'm doing things that aren't going to pay off tomorrow but are going to pay off in future months and years."
She cites how Courtney Frerichs and Shelby Houlihan weren't they wanted to be a few years ago and really blossomed and that gave her confidence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV6TmIpbjjk&feature=youtu.be
My question is she may have a great aerobic engine but can you try and force a result in running? She may not have any other choice with such lofty goals, but personally the best progress for me in running came when I just trained and didn't try and force the result. When running fast, you're trying to teach your body to be as relaxed as possible at faster speeds and if you're constantly pushing it too much I feel it backfires. Or am I looking at this wrong? Shelby and Courtney have certainly put it together this year so she's got a great coach. What Gwen is doing is so different than most of us as they end result (Olympic gold) is already front and center and way, way out there.
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It's funny how elites do all these bs exercises, when they just need to do some compound movements (squats, deadlifts, overhead press, pull ups etc). I don't think she will even qualify for the Olympic marathon. Her shoulders when she runs is way too tight, she needs to relax.
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Sand Dunes wrote:
It's funny how elites do all these bs exercises, when they just need to do some compound movements (squats, deadlifts, overhead press, pull ups etc). I don't think she will even qualify for the Olympic marathon. Her shoulders when she runs is way too tight, she needs to relax.
So nobody with tight shoulders qualifies for the Olympics. Good to know. -
wejo wrote:
My question is [...]
Can she win a gold medal in running?
Can Evan Jager win a gold medal?
Was Chris Solinsky gold medal material?
Was Matt Tegenkamp podium material?
Matt Centrowitz, Jenny Simpson, Shalane Flanagan?
Alan Webb, Galen Rupp,
Why not?
Has American distance running been prominent and on the rise?
Will The videography and music be gold? (IMO no)
If I were them, I would want it to be.
But to each their own,
Liberty and freedom. -
Sand Dunes wrote:
It's funny how elites do all these bs exercises, when they just need to do some compound movements (squats, deadlifts, overhead press, pull ups etc). I don't think she will even qualify for the Olympic marathon. Her shoulders when she runs is way too tight, she needs to relax.
Pretty amusing reading your criticism of the training regimen of an Olympic Gold Medalist. I'm sure you know much more about it. -
How many elites have you coached wrote:
Sand Dunes wrote:
It's funny how elites do all these bs exercises, when they just need to do some compound movements (squats, deadlifts, overhead press, pull ups etc). I don't think she will even qualify for the Olympic marathon. Her shoulders when she runs is way too tight, she needs to relax.
Pretty amusing reading your criticism of the training regimen of an Olympic Gold Medalist. I'm sure you know much more about it.
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Ooooo wrote:
Is maternity leave really 1 year long and paid?
Wow, no wonder no one wants to hire them.
"Them"
Wow. You either think you are right or that you are funny. I am not certain which option is the saddest. -
The real question should be is Stanley her one-year-old walking yet and will he eventually follow in mom's footsteps and be a professional runner?
I'm not qualified to comment on her training, but I can comment on her videos. Is husband or Stanley her emotional comfort pet?
Drone footage is pretty good.
Her running form is not. Need more shots of fellow teammates like Colleen Quigley.
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Sand dunes I agree. I this more with elite women runners than men putting out strength videos that are full of junk strength exercises. But hey if it works for them.
Would like to see some good strength vids from elite runners. I’ve seen a few from NOP that were ok. Mo and Galen doing TGUs and cleans.
Meb did one on core which seemed good. -
I agree one cannot force something. Good things come to you when relaxed.
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Critics are like eunuchs in a harem. They know how to do it. They’ve seen it done thousands of times. But when it comes down to it, they can’t do it themselves.
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She needs to do something besides obsess over her training ALL DAY, every day. That's all she seems to do. She can't even be still at home...always doing calf raises or rolling or whatever. She won't even be on the line for the trials because of injury or burnout. She's destroying her body in the process. Kind of a sad thing to watch, unfortunately.
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Two years from now this woman will be an unknown.
Burned out, retired, the tweeting/blogging cries for attention will slow to a trickle and then cease.
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wejo wrote:
In her latest youtube video she said,
"I'm doing things that aren't going to pay off tomorrow but are going to pay off in future months and years."
She cites how Courtney Frerichs and Shelby Houlihan weren't they wanted to be a few years ago and really blossomed and that gave her confidence.
When I was coaching in college, I always told the freshmen and sopohomores, "The high mileage you are doing now may not help you know. It could even hurt your performance."
But to be good at long distance, particularly 26.2, thers is no subsititute to mileage as it makes you more efficient.
If you are a college kid reading this, one thing I used to tell the seniors was, "Hey, it's ok to run less and hit the workouts hard." I mean most collegians don't run at a high level after college so there is nothing to build towards. Jorgesen basically only has a year from now to keep working on that mileage. Then she has to start training for the trials. -
There is nothing that letsrun posters like to do more than tell women what they should when the posters have absolutely no clue what they are talking about. This thread is a great example.
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Where does she work? I thought you only got 1 year maternity leave in Canada. I got 3 weeks.
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vivalarepublica wrote:
There is nothing that letsrun posters like to do more than tell women what they should when the posters have absolutely no clue what they are talking about. This thread is a great example.
I always like to tell women that they should run and hide if they see Billy Konchellah.
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In Beaverton wrote:
She needs to do something besides obsess over her training ALL DAY, every day. That's all she seems to do. She can't even be still at home...always doing calf raises or rolling or whatever. She won't even be on the line for the trials because of injury or burnout. She's destroying her body in the process. Kind of a sad thing to watch, unfortunately.
⤴For some this works for others like Wejo himself it does not. Wejo you made an important point in the 15:15 5k with only a few months of training being her best performance. This performance and the limited simple training with it suggests Gwen like Wejo would be a responder to higher easy mileage as outlined in the "WHY I SUCKED IN COLLEGE" training essay.
From the radical change in training Wejo went from 30:30 to 28:10.
Wejo,
could you please write an article summarizing your previous training to the key stretches in your 28:10. Not saying this would be thrown into the media TalbotCox, YT, etc but it would be a very informative piece for the newer crowd of LR or those who need perspective. -
DunlopKT26 wrote:
In Beaverton wrote:
She needs to do something besides obsess over her training ALL DAY, every day. That's all she seems to do. She can't even be still at home...always doing calf raises or rolling or whatever. She won't even be on the line for the trials because of injury or burnout. She's destroying her body in the process. Kind of a sad thing to watch, unfortunately.
⤴For some this works for others like Wejo himself it does not. Wejo you made an important point in the 15:15 5k with only a few months of training being her best performance. This performance and the limited simple training with it suggests Gwen like Wejo would be a responder to higher easy mileage as outlined in the "WHY I SUCKED IN COLLEGE" training essay.
From the radical change in training Wejo went from 30:30 to 28:10.
Wejo,
could you please write an article summarizing your previous training to the key stretches in your 28:10. Not saying this would be thrown into the media TalbotCox, YT, etc but it would be a very informative piece for the newer crowd of LR or those who need perspective.
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vivalarepublica wrote:
There is nothing that letsrun posters like to do more than tell women what they should when the posters have absolutely no clue what they are talking about. This thread is a great example.
Exactly! We should be highlighting not "what more she should be doing" but all the right things she already is doing!
If she were lacking psychologically, physically or logistically, she would not have endured the excessive, extended trials of the sport of Triathlon. She has demonstrated and fostered outstanding aerobic capacity. She is skinny and toned like all the cream-of-the-crop world beaters. She even has the psychological advantage of being intimidating in the eyes of her competitors. She towers above the field literally with her tall frame. When her long legs get going with that surprisingly high turnover, it's like watching the approach of a Viking longship. It strikes terror into the hearts of those about to be conquered when they witness the mighty oars surging through the stormy seas. Her countenance is as dark and fierce as the stormy skies of the North Sea. Where others could not navigate, she sets forth boldly and fearlessly.
She knows how to fuel properly. Her eclectic and varied diet shows that she listens to that deep intelligence that lies within our natural intuitions. Raising up a son, far from being her undoing is a buoy of joy, a light house of commitment and purpose, a nuclear powered generator of fulfillment and motivation. She has a great supporting network. Everyone in that network is getting better, an indication of genuine flourishing. She is in the thick and at the helm of heritages of excellence and a culture of success.
She knows how to take account of her affairs. We could all learn a thing or two from her.
