Kenyan 800m Word medallist Kipyegon Bett Suspended After Refusing Drugs Test

El Keniano wrote:

^Still almost zero positives from the US, UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Germany, France, Italy, Spain, the Netherlands, Belgium, Sweden, Norway, Switzerland and others ? ... Not suspicious at all.

It appears that you have no problem with Bett and the other recent positives from Kenya, even offering a selection of lame excuses for their guilt!

Not only that, you seem to be implying that there is some sort of conspiracy to punish Kenyans and let off non African nations!?

I’m afraid that the last 2 years have shown that previous testing of Kenyan ( and a few other nations) athletes has been poor at best, non existent and/or corrupt at worst.

hahaha roflmao lol wrote:

Coevett wrote:

Ironically, the 800m was the one event in which Kenyan times had not fallen. They will now.

Spot the racist imbecile!

Emmanuel Korir has just run 1:42.79 in your beloved UK.

haha

Considering he was talking about the WR going today, it was quite a disappointing performance for him. He looked easy at the end of his 1:42.05 a couple of weeks ago, but today he looked all out, head rolling and exhausted at he end of a slower race with a slower last 200m.

Of course he could have had an off day, but it certainly was a drop in his form.

Likewise Manangoi. For someone whose run 3:29 this year and claims he can run under 46 for 400m, he should be running 1:41’s not 1:44’s.

Deanouk wrote:

hahaha roflmao lol wrote:

Spot the racist imbecile!

Emmanuel Korir has just run 1:42.79 in your beloved UK.

haha

Considering he was talking about the WR going today, it was quite a disappointing performance for him. He looked easy at the end of his 1:42.05 a couple of weeks ago, but today he looked all out, head rolling and exhausted at he end of a slower race with a slower last 200m.

Of course he could have had an off day, but it certainly was a drop in his form.

Likewise Manangoi. For someone whose run 3:29 this year and claims he can run under 46 for 400m, he should be running 1:41’s not 1:44’s.

You are an armchair specialist.

Have you ever raced competitively?

Did you hear the commentator talking about the breezy conditions?

Did you see Bram Som going through 400m 0.7 off of what was requested of him?

Anyway, 1:42.79 is fast and your buddy Coevett was wrong, for a change.

So, you think Bett has an anxiety problem having to urinate in front of testers? How many other doping tests has he had? At the WCs last year where he won bronze, he would have had to pee in front of a tester, and he didn't refuse then.

Did I say that? I am so tired of idiots like you chiming in with your stupid 2 cents worth.

I said that MIGHT exist AND a WC medalist told me that SHE had a hard time producing for the testers.

Long before someone as naive as you were born there was an article in the Wall St Journal about it!!

I have no clue why he didn't produce a sample- maybe he would have failed and he didn't know it. Maybe he wasn't home, maybe he was dehydrated and just couldn't pee.

hahaha roflmao lol wrote:

Coevett wrote:

Ironically, the 800m was the one event in which Kenyan times had not fallen. They will now.

Spot the racist imbecile!

Emmanuel Korir has just run 1:42.79 in your beloved UK.

haha

Lol, wasn't he supposed to be in shape for 1:40.8, you cretin?

Deanouk wrote:

El Keniano wrote:

^Still almost zero positives from the US, UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Germany, France, Italy, Spain, the Netherlands, Belgium, Sweden, Norway, Switzerland and others ? ... Not suspicious at all.

It appears that you have no problem with Bett and the other recent positives from Kenya, even offering a selection of lame excuses for their guilt!

Not only that, you seem to be implying that there is some sort of conspiracy to punish Kenyans and let off non African nations!?

I’m afraid that the last 2 years have shown that previous testing of Kenyan ( and a few other nations) athletes has been poor at best, non existent and/or corrupt at worst.

+1

Absolute joke of a human being.

Deanouk wrote:

I’m afraid that the last 2 years have shown that previous testing of Kenyan ( and a few other nations) athletes has been poor at best, non existent and/or corrupt at worst.

Correct. This seems indeed to be improving now.

Yet, to be honest, El K has a point. Just look at us letting blatantly obvious offenders get away, e.g. Armstrong (until after his retirement, ok), Jager, Rupp, and Wilson, or you guys with Wiggins, Froome, Radcliffe and Farah.

So - are we toughening up too, or is it just Kenya?

Coevett wrote:

hahaha roflmao lol wrote:

Spot the racist imbecile!

Emmanuel Korir has just run 1:42.79 in your beloved UK.

haha

Lol, wasn't he supposed to be in shape for 1:40.8, you cretin?

Did you watch the race, cretin? Do you know anything about competitive athletics, imbecile? Oh no, you don't.

LOL imbecile!

El Keniano wrote:

^Still almost zero positives from the US, UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Germany, France, Italy, Spain, the Netherlands, Belgium, Sweden, Norway, Switzerland and others ? ... Not suspicious at all.

There are plenty of popped athletes from these countries, you just are biased against them.

Here are USADA results from this year:

Also WADA's 2016 report, which seems to be the most recent report:

Coevett wrote:

hahaha roflmao lol wrote:

Spot the racist imbecile!

Emmanuel Korir has just run 1:42.79 in your beloved UK.

haha

Lol, wasn't he supposed to be in shape for 1:40.8, you cretin?

Besides, you racist cretin, my post still stands. You said the 800m times by Kenyans would start to fall. You lose.

Sorry, I don't want to derail this thread talking about me, once again falling for the bait of these two attempts to troll me, but I don't recall ever affirmatively saying Jeptoo was clean in Boston -- there is no way I would have known. I do recall saying 1) Jeptoo ran fast in Boston because of Shalane's aggressive pacing, something quite rare in women's races, and 2) we did not have that "evidence to the contrary" -- I said this until someone posted more detailed evidence I had not seen, and 3) she ran 6 minutes slower (4.3%) in Chicago, two weeks after being busted for EPO. Much of what comes from the "attackers" of the cheats is simply wrong or fabricated claims. You should not misconstrue attacking the imaginations of these attackers, as defending the cheats.

casual obsever wrote:

A big red flag was rather that he continued to claim that Jeptoo was clean in Boston, despite evidence to the contrary. Ok rekrunner did that too, but he is just trolling for the brojos.

Oh rekrunner, such a short memory?

Here is the last time I recall where you trolled about there being no evidence for her doping in Boston. You did that for years, as google still knows.

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=8796415&page=40

Emmanuel Korir has run a time which in all athletics history was bettered two times by a Brit. He has beaten by big margin the new European Champion, by an even much bigger margin the best American which some were hoping to break the 33 year old US-record. Another 1:42 runner. The first lap probably was little bit on the slow side. It reportedly was little bit windy. He ran the first bend almost on lane two. Yet, he only comment is that it was a disappointing performance. Really. If it was a race from Coe, any meter would be analysed, the meteorologic stations would be contacted to find that the wind the whole race was against him - and that in fact the time was worth 1:41.98.

El Keniano seems to be deeply connected with Kenyan athletics (to be honest, to me he doesn't sound like an Kenyan, more like some German(!) I have in mind here, but for sure this isn't an offense in any way, since I don't know this and it's also not important) and therefore it's the most natural thing that he might be not completely unattached regarding all those Kenyan doping positives (or refusals). It's just hypocritical to criticize this when those people just would do almost ANYTHING when the same would stand against some of the own (always British) heroes. They would look for any (regardless how small) piece which might relieve their heroes a little bit. Criticising El Keniano for this to me is hypocritical.

To seriously address something to Coevett is not possible (if he is or isn't a "racist" as many here claim I can't say anything to, but he is a notorious lier, which he has proven over and over again - what else is to say to someone who for well over one year constantly completely changes the progression to the bad of some athlete he hates deeply just for "proving" his own theory, regardles how often you give him the pure - different - facts). This is just one example, there are many more. So, definitely no chance to have a serious conversation with him. Not because he points on Kenyan and/or North African doping cases, for sure it's OK to do this. But because he often is not going to change his points even when proved to be wrong (and for sure also the way he talks and because he puts words in someones mouth which never were said).

But you Deano, you often act very serious and you definitely have a deep knowledge and you seem someone who also has the ability for some self reflection. But when the subject in ANY WAY is Sebastian Coe, then it seems you loose any credibility. And you are going to loose any of my respect (you might not care, I can't know) which I had at the moment. When a comparison to Coe is at stage, than even 6 World Champs Gold medals are easily worth almost nothing. 800m and 1500m Golds are worth more than 5000m ones - because more races have to be run!!! Come on - are you serious? I could give more examples but that's not the point here. But more and more defending a notorious liar (just a pure fact which is not discussable) like Coevett doesn't put you in a very good light. Yes, for sure, if he is saying correct things, they must not be criticised. (1+1=2 also when Adolf Hitler says so). But more and more you are encouraging him. For me thats a shame.

And for sure it's more than just little curious (and not bad to question this from El Keniano) that there are almost no positives from most other athletics countries. To put it like Brits are something more ethical like others is just absurd. Also that there might be no doping at the moment in British athletics at the moment. There are so many improvements in the last years that it's just astonishing (bicycling, Dina Asher-Smith, field events... - to name just a few). And for sure also Mo Farah. For sure I would never accuse seomeone without proof - just the overall view Kenyans are ALL "bad", Brits are (almost) all "good" is just laughable.

God, that was boring.

casual obsever wrote:

Deanouk wrote:

I’m afraid that the last 2 years have shown that previous testing of Kenyan ( and a few other nations) athletes has been poor at best, non existent and/or corrupt at worst.

Correct. This seems indeed to be improving now.

Yet, to be honest, El K has a point. Just look at us letting blatantly obvious offenders get away, e.g. Armstrong (until after his retirement, ok), Jager, Rupp, and Wilson, or you guys with Wiggins, Froome, Radcliffe and Farah.

So - are we toughening up too, or is it just Kenya?

I wouldn't like to comment on cycling, as I haven't read enough on those 3 particular individuals. I would add that Armstrong was finally caught/put into a position that he had to admit to EPO use, which is good. I'm glad he was caught and discredited, and he will never be seen as the great TdF cyclist that he was once considered to be.

As for Wiggins and Froome, again, I do think there was something obviously going on. Whether or not they were operating within that grey area of things not being illegal, I don't know. As far as I'm aware, they have both been cleared, but I would obviously be open to facts revealed by those on here with the in depth knowledge about their cases.

With regards to the track stars, of course there have been accusations and circumstantial evidence, but none have actually failed a drug test or refused to take one, as far as I'm aware. Some have appeared on the 'Fancy Bear' list, which has to be taken with caution considering the source, and others have missed tests or had abnormal blood scores. Again, I'm not medically trained and some of the science/medical arguments for and against the likes of Radcliffe's blood data, is non conclusive it seems.

As I've stated above, it wouldn't surprise me if some of those mentioned above were involved in operating within the grey area of what is permissible. If they have crossed a boundary then I hope they get caught and it eventually comes out. And I'm not naive enough to think that no white Europeans or US athletes take peds, and yes they are possibly more savvy or have better products to cover up their guilt, BUT 2 wrongs (or rather suspected wrongs) don't make a right! You cannot condone or somehow dismiss a violation by a Kenyan athlete by suggesting that others do it too but manage to get away with it.

The idea that the IIU is just after Kenyans and won't be as stringent when testing Europeans is ludicrous and backed up by no evidence whatsoever. Indeed, in the case of Kiprop shows that it was common practice (in the past) to give warning to Kenyan athletes from the testers! Where is evidence of the same being true for any Europeans being busted?

I would suggest the likely possibility, and there is plenty of evidence of his former corruption, that under Diack's tenure, not only were athletes who were caught (they all seem to have been European, no!?) bribed to cover up positive results, but he would almost certainly have turned a blind eye (through lax testing, suppressing findings) to doping cases in Africa. However, it does not mean that now under Coe, similar but opposite treatment will occur. The two are mutually exclusive.

It is indeed Kenyan antidoping work that has been unacceptable. Maybe there is an improvement going on.

I belive antidoping work is better in many other countries. I don't think moral is better in those countries.

trollism wrote:

God, that was boring.

You are boring.

EPO DOES NOT WORK ON EAST AFRICANS

hahaha roflmao lol wrote:

trollism wrote:

God, that was boring.

You are boring.

That's hurtful.