Kenyan 800m Word medallist Kipyegon Bett Suspended After Refusing Drugs Test

Take it easy on the logic, pal.

Seems like a system that is easy to manipulate. Seems like a national federation and anti-doping agency can put in some nominal effort to avoid sanctions while mostly looking the other way. De-centralize the doping, as one might put it, and never have to worry about action against the nation as a whole.

rojo wrote:

The thing that makes no sense to me is why anyone would refuse anything. I actually think he's more likely to be innocent and it was some sort of misunderstanding. That's unlikely but it's foolish to refuse a test.

If you refuse a test, you might as well just confess as it is the same thing as being guilty. So even if you are glowing, you should take the test as it's likely the test won't catch you and even if you do get caught, you might get off on a technicality.

Instead of missing a test, it's much better to simply not answer or hear the doorbell like Mo.

+1

It is extremely hard to fail a drug test these days. He must have mis-timed a dosage or something?

trollism wrote:

So he might have refused? And ‘failed to submit’ is the pretty much the same as refused anyway. You think he was like ‘sorry pal, I don’t urinate on a Tuesday, so no can do’?

A runner I know walked out of the bathroom and the doorbell rang- testers. She said it took a lot of liquid to be able to urinate in the required time. Not to mention the anxiety of having to produce urine while someone watches to make sure it's yours.

runn wrote:

trollism wrote:

So he might have refused? And ‘failed to submit’ is the pretty much the same as refused anyway. You think he was like ‘sorry pal, I don’t urinate on a Tuesday, so no can do’?

A runner I know walked out of the bathroom and the doorbell rang- testers. She said it took a lot of liquid to be able to urinate in the required time. Not to mention the anxiety of having to produce urine while someone watches to make sure it's yours.

So, you think Bett has an anxiety problem having to urinate in front of testers? How many other doping tests has he had? At the WCs last year where he won bronze, he would have had to pee in front of a tester, and he didn't refuse then.

vivalarepublica wrote:

Seems like a national federation and anti-doping agency can put in some nominal effort to avoid sanctions while mostly looking the other way. De-centralize the doping, as one might put it, and never have to worry about action against the nation as a whole.

The IAAF obviously thinks that some ways of doping are more equal than others ...

But why are they getting caught all of a sudden? Did these top Kenyans just start doping? If not, and that many Kenyan athletes have been doping for years, what has changed with these recent busts?

I don't think WADA's testing sensitivity has gotten so much better or that WADA has some new secret testing methods that they just started, or they would be catching some athletes from other nations (unless only the Kenyans & Morrocans dope in this era of athletics?). It's perplexing with all these Kenyan cases...and not one top doping positive recently from the U.S., UK, France, Italy, Germany, etc...totally strange! ?

The Kenyans are dropping like flies. What bothers me is that I really believed Letsrun.com's agenda that East African runners can not be affected by PEDs. I truly believed that - why? - because it was pushed so hard.

Now, I think everyone at least micro-doses. I also believe that what Nike and NOP is doing - at worst - is micro-dosing. That way you can always past a drug test.

Now Kenyans are failing drug tests in droves. But how? First off, according to this website, there is no advantage for East Africans to dope. Second, it is extremely hard to fail a drug test. Therefore, if thejust needed an edge they could 100% get away with micro-dosing. But, no, one after the other is failing these tests - all because the corruption is coming to an end and the guy giving the heads up is no longer able to give a heads up.

My conclusion is that not only were these people doping, but they were doing in extreme dosages. That is 100% the only way to explain how they are getting failed tests in such large numbers.

My question to Letsrun - why do you push the narrative that East African runners can gain no advantage from PEDs? I just want to know why? Why did you think that?

You can get a pretty good hand time from the video. I did it five times and got between 11.87 and 11.92. I also hand-timed your namesakes at 11.30 (Coe) and 11.33 (Ovett) in the Moscow final. That makes it seem likely that there have been a lot of finishers with times within that half-second gap, but Langford still had a very nice Symmonds-in-London-type finish (also ~11.87), from last to fourth (or third).

Oh, crap. Scratch all that if it's the 90m-to-go line, as has been reported while I wrote that last post.

Dude you do not need to defend yourself on any level. The answer is no you are not a racist for putting a link up to a news article reporting that a Kenyan 800m runner refused to take a drug test.

What this really is a case of is classic human "blame-shifting" diversion. We all have probably done it at some point in our lives - mostly as children. You know, your brother tells on your for stealing a dollar out of your parents wallet and so you think telling on him "back" for a larger indescrepancy will somehow absolve you of the fact you pinched a dollar. Classic mental gymnastics.

The most powerful one available in modern society is race - because the mere notion of being a racist is so abhorrent and creates enough smoke and mirrors to override any basic truth. So the truth is that Kip Bett refused a drugs test most probably because he is taking PED's but because the odds are that you are a white man calling this out (and also suggesting a white man, Kyle Langford benefit from the demise of black man), make you an easy blame-shifting diversionary. We are at a ridiculous point in our society where blatant crime takes a back to seat to social conscious issues and everyone is guilty of it - whites, blacks, all of us.

In summary, no need to explain yourself - the clown that accused you of "spreading hatred towards Kenyans" can faaarrrrrk right off.

I don't take any pleasure in criticizing Kenya. But some of the anti-Russia rhetoric is blatantly politically motivated, the statements by the US senators recently being a prime example. Its another stick to beat Putin with. I would rather keep bans in both countries just to those individuals actually caught by the normal standards of a drug bust (or coaches if they fall foul of the rules).

runn wrote:

trollism wrote:

So he might have refused? And ‘failed to submit’ is the pretty much the same as refused anyway. You think he was like ‘sorry pal, I don’t urinate on a Tuesday, so no can do’?

A runner I know walked out of the bathroom and the doorbell rang- testers. She said it took a lot of liquid to be able to urinate in the required time. Not to mention the anxiety of having to produce urine while someone watches to make sure it's yours.

There's no time limit as such for providing the sample. The hour window is the hour they try to get in contact with you. Once contact is made they stay with you until the sample is provided, even if it goes over the window.

The Scot wrote:

I don't take any pleasure in criticizing Kenya. But some of the anti-Russia rhetoric is blatantly politically motivated, the statements by the US senators recently being a prime example. Its another stick to beat Putin with. I would rather keep bans in both countries just to those individuals actually caught by the normal standards of a drug bust (or coaches if they fall foul of the rules).

Rumors about Russia surfaced in 2013, investigations began in 2014, and Russia was banned in 2015. This issue predates even Putin’s seizure of Ukraine. Do you honestly think this is politically motivated?

Russians can appeal and be authorized neutral athletes. They can compete freely if they’re clean. Do you think that a country proven to have had state-sponsored doping should be allowed to field a team while still noncompliant?

i have asked this so many times and yet it gets ignored

-how much money does rosa/renato make a year from Nike?

-how much money does rosa/renato make from their athletes appearance fees?

-how much money does rosa/renato make from their athletes purse winnings?

the difference between russian and kenya is diff but dont act like kenya is some how an angel

russia = state run (think socialism)

kenya = independently run (think capitalism)

in russia it comes from the top down, where in kenya it comes from the rosa/renato types, they make the big bucks, and the kenya athletics agency trims the fat off them. they will cover up tests and do the best they can to keep the myth going, while rosa/renato types have to pay a % to them.

as you can see the independently run version is falling apart, just like jamaica. where is rosa? why has he been MIA since kiprop went down? once kenya is F*CKED by the itilians greed and lies, kenya will be like the other east african countries like sudan, Uganda, Zimbabwe, tanzinia...there will be no money, and then there will be no more runners....

once someone high enough up who is and has been involved in all of this decides to spill beans, renato/rosa types will be banned and there will be such a sh*t show that comes out of it. age cheating, doping, bribes, scandals....all the way back to the IAAF, WADA, coe, and the IOC. it will be a sh*t show for sure.

to save face maybe renato should chime in and admit that this has been going on since the early 90s.....nahh he will continue the charade till the cards fall down and track and field is over. lolz

Sanjay Gupta wrote:

The Scot wrote:

I don't take any pleasure in criticizing Kenya. But some of the anti-Russia rhetoric is blatantly politically motivated, the statements by the US senators recently being a prime example. Its another stick to beat Putin with. I would rather keep bans in both countries just to those individuals actually caught by the normal standards of a drug bust (or coaches if they fall foul of the rules).

Rumors about Russia surfaced in 2013, investigations began in 2014, and Russia was banned in 2015. This issue predates even Putin’s seizure of Ukraine. Do you honestly think this is politically motivated?

Russians can appeal and be authorized neutral athletes. They can compete freely if they’re clean. Do you think that a country proven to have had state-sponsored doping should be allowed to field a team while still noncompliant?

The demonization of Russia began long before the seizure of Ukraine. Are you in your teens? Banning and soiling the reputation of their visible athletes is an important tool used, as is hyping up whatever heroes they want the world to envy. In the current multiculture agenda, this usually means specific sects of the population are groomed, doped up, and drowned in adulation.

As far as alleged state sponsored doping...so you are saying if Russia stops the alleged state sponsored doping but the athletes continue to dope in mass quantities privately, such as in Kenya (and everywhere else pretty much), then things are just fine?

Exactly. It was never actually proven that Russia actually has a state sponsored program. Has all been allegations so far mostly based from a single criminal from Russia -Rodchenkov. They dope the same as any other country. The state sponsored story was created solely for the purpose of singling Russia out.

What's up with this? wrote:

But why are they getting caught all of a sudden? Did these top Kenyans just start doping? If not, and that many Kenyan athletes have been doping for years, what has changed with these recent busts?

I don't think WADA's testing sensitivity has gotten so much better or that WADA has some new secret testing methods that they just started, or they would be catching some athletes from other nations (unless only the Kenyans & Morrocans dope in this era of athletics?). It's perplexing with all these Kenyan cases...and not one top doping positive recently from the U.S., UK, France, Italy, Germany, etc...totally strange! ?

Yes, all these Kenyan busts definitely prove that Europeans and Americans must be doping even more. I apologize for all my previous posts suggesting that there was a huge doping problem in Kenya. One more high profile Kenyan bust in the coming days or weeks and I promise to leave this board for good in complete shame, but not before personally apologizing to El K, Nipples, and the BroJos first.

But in all seriousness, the IAAF and WADA are clearly finally cracking down on Kenyan doping. A couple of years ago EPO was being openly sold over the counter in every pharmacy in Eldoret and Iten. Now pharmacies are getting raided weekly for suspected selling of EPO. The Kenyan athletics federation were faced with a blunt choice of continuing to turn a blind eye or get booted out of world athletics indefinitely. Given that athletics has probably boosted Kenya's profile to an inestimable amount, meaning billions of dollars in tourism, trade, etc, then even a corrupt clueless government/infrastructure can clean things up to a certain extent. Kenyan times have plummeted across the board over the last couple of years particularly, including the roads. Ironically, the 800m was the one event in which Kenyan times had not fallen. They will now.

I agree with some of that. Kenya has a doping issue. If, as you predict, certain athletes, coaches, and officials are implicated, they should be banned. And if the whole agency is found to be noncompliant, the country as a whole should be banned, as was the case with Russia.

We’ll see what happens, right?