Official 2018 Birmingham DL Discussion Thread

rojo wrote:

vesty wrote:

Murphy dfl.

This to me was one of the hidden stories of the meet. And yet guys like you are mocking him?

For years, we hear stuff like, "I hate how runner x (Murphy/Symmonds), run from behind. Imagine how much better they'd be if they had the guts to go for it."

Well guess what. In a non-Olympic year, Murphy went for it. He went out with Korir. Right behind him at 400 adn it was clear on the backstretch that he was cooked. Some guys just are better coming off the pace. It appears the Murphy is one.

When I get home, I"ll go back and watch the replay adn try to get Murphy's 400 split. Anyone know what the fastest he's ever gone out in is? In Rio, what was his 400 split? What was it today?

His split today was 50.8. In Rio, where he set his PR, it was 49.9. In London, where he ran his second fastest time a month ago, he went out in 50.6.

It’s inaccurate to think that he needs to go out slower than 50.8 to run fast and compete with the best. He just had an off day today. If anyone thinks he can go out in a the high 51s or low 52s and catch Korir, Amos or David R. (when they’re near the top of their game) after spotting them 10-15 meters, they are mistaken. It is very hard to run high 1:41 to mid 1:42 if you go out in 51.5-52.

I should also mention that I think Murphy is a brilliant tactical racer no matter the pace. He may be a few strides off the lead, but when he’s on his game I’ve never seen him be too far back. I think he would only do that if the pace was crazy, like in the 48s.

It was my impression most knowledge observers felt similarly. I have not really seen the criticism Rojo refers to, although apparently it exists.

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Paul Chelimo has broken 4:00

Paul Chelimo broke 4:00 on 3 Feb 2018 at Winston Salem in the Camel City Invitational. he was 2nd to Edward Cheserek in 3:58.59. that was indoors, though.

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JustAnOffDay wrote:

His split today was 50.8. In Rio, where he set his PR, it was 49.9. In London, where he ran his second fastest time a month ago, he went out in 50.6.

It’s inaccurate to think that he needs to go out slower than 50.8 to run fast and compete with the best. He just had an off day today. If anyone thinks he can go out in a the high 51s or low 52s and catch Korir, Amos or David R. (when they’re near the top of their game) after spotting them 10-15 meters, they are mistaken. It is very hard to run high 1:41 to mid 1:42 if you go out in 51.5-52.

Failed to crack 1:43! He just had an off day!

#sh*tNobodySaidFrom2004to2015

#theNewFast

#spoilt

Team_Buckster_Resilient wrote:

JustAnOffDay wrote:

His split today was 50.8. In Rio, where he set his PR, it was 49.9. In London, where he ran his second fastest time a month ago, he went out in 50.6.

It’s inaccurate to think that he needs to go out slower than 50.8 to run fast and compete with the best. He just had an off day today. If anyone thinks he can go out in a the high 51s or low 52s and catch Korir, Amos or David R. (when they’re near the top of their game) after spotting them 10-15 meters, they are mistaken. It is very hard to run high 1:41 to mid 1:42 if you go out in 51.5-52.

Failed to crack 1:43! He just had an off day!

#sh*tNobodySaidFrom2004to2015

#theNewFast

#spoilt

He failed to crack 1:47. That’s an off day for a guy who ran low 1:43 a few weeks ago.

rojo wrote:

vesty wrote:

Murphy dfl.

This to me was one of the hidden stories of the meet. And yet guys like you are mocking him?

For years, we hear stuff like, "I hate how runner x (Murphy/Symmonds), run from behind. Imagine how much better they'd be if they had the guts to go for it."

Well guess what. In a non-Olympic year, Murphy went for it. He went out with Korir. Right behind him at 400 adn it was clear on the backstretch that he was cooked. Some guys just are better coming off the pace. It appears the Murphy is one.

When I get home, I"ll go back and watch the replay adn try to get Murphy's 400 split. Anyone know what the fastest he's ever gone out in is? In Rio, what was his 400 split? What was it today?

I'll tell you why I don't like it.

It's easy to go balls to the wall when you know you're not fit. We give props to those who are in form and go for it. The Muirs and Jagers and Cheruiyots of the world. In fact, if you know your a little out of form, or fatigued, or generally don't have it, you know you can get more from appearing to go for it then running the best race you can. We saw this with Solomon and Berian in the 800. We see this in marathoning, like Kipsang or Bekele dropping out of Berlin or Dubai. "Going for it" is a facade that tricks a lot of people into thinking the athlete has some x-factor, when it is really the best way out of the bad situation of being in a race you are not in form for.

rojo wrote:

wejo wrote:

Distance races ho hum.

I really wish Jager had run the steeple like Robert.

Hindsight is 20/20 but now I"m thrilled Jager didn't run. I have no desire to see him win an 8:14 race. That being said, has he ever won a DL? I just would like to see him race more than 3-4 times a year.

He's probably going to have to try to break 8:00 all alone in the finale.

And Muir did get the win in the 1k but she didn't get the British record.

Muir was supposed to chaseKelly Holmes‘ British record of 2:32.55 (which is slower than what Muir ran indoors 2:31.93) but she didn't get it. Just 2:33.92.

Jager will have kipruto, kigen, and el Bakkali to deal with in Zurich.

JustAnOffDay wrote:

Team_Buckster_Resilient wrote:

Failed to crack 1:43! He just had an off day!

#sh*tNobodySaidFrom2004to2015

#theNewFast

#spoilt

He failed to crack 1:47. That’s an off day for a guy who ran low 1:43 a few weeks ago.

Y'all just love to beat the horse to death with your humorless literalism.

Extinguishing splendor and poetry with a relentless attention to detail.

Either you weren't around in those days or you, regretfully, lost some of your wonder in the days since.

Biggest shock of the broadcast, no mention of Mo by Tim H. This is a major first. Let's hope it continues

I think Tirop is ready to breakout and put her foot down on the 5000m. She has the class, speed and strength. The only problem is that she is still very, very young. At 22, that mental maturity isn't there yet. But today she didn't panic in the last 300m. She let the other runner kick, and sat for awhile, but then made her big move with a 100 to go.

Obiri looked terrible, maybe that little layoff put some rust on those legs.

Bad thing about Obiri is that she is a specialist. She does not want to move up to 10000m, because she does not want to run the distance ( so no half marathons or marathons either), and she does not have the speed for 1500m. So 3000m-5000m is where she is at her best, but with Muir, Hassan, Dibaba, Tirop, and Shelby all running great this year, next year's WC is going be extremely tough for her to repeat as champion.

NOP has turned Hassan and Yomif into beasts. They were already great, but god damn they are just ferocious now.

Commentators blaming pacer for Laura Muir not going faster. Wrong. Yes, they were just over a second off pace at the bell, but that's easily made up if she was having a good day. Laura it her all but simply did not have it today.

I still don't get the laying down on the track right after crossing the line. Last thing I want to do after an 800.

Hellen Obiri is comically overrated. So sluggish and overmatched. Simply not an athlete.

I really enjoy laughing at her, and the people who try to make her out to be a world beater.

artojas wrote:

Chelimo ftw? 3:39 man? Definetely not. Watch out for Charlie Grice and Jakub Holusa.

Lol. Your European heroes got licked. Good show by the kiwis and Chelimo.

Qwerti wrote:

artojas wrote:

Chelimo ftw? 3:39 man? Definetely not. Watch out for Charlie Grice and Jakub Holusa.

Lol. Your European heroes got licked. Good show by the kiwis and Chelimo.

*meant the Aussies and Nick Willis, the only kiwi.

Cottonshirt wrote:

Paul Chelimo has broken 4:00

Paul Chelimo broke 4:00 on 3 Feb 2018 at Winston Salem in the Camel City Invitational. he was 2nd to Edward Cheserek in 3:58.59. that was indoors, though.

I should have remembered that. I was just responding to what Tim Hutchings said on the international/NBC Gold broadcast.

rojo wrote:

As for Jager. Kipruto said after the race he was taking it easy. The problem for Jager is that while Kipruto hasn't broken 8:00 either, he's probably more worried about winning as his endorsement contract isn't as big as Jager's so the 40 or 50k that comes with the DL win is a big deal for him.

"40 or 50k" - WTF, where did you pull that from Rojo?

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