Is ELUID KIPCHOGE a tad bit OVERRATED ?

no YOURE hilarious wrote:

Scorpion_runner wrote:

I'm simply saying that in a REAL MARATHON race Kipchoge is not going to risk DNFing or losing to go after the WR, and I see that as a slight strike against him.

LOL, being smart is BAD!!!!

Crazy as it may sound, in a WR attempt, I would have to say yes.

Mary Keitany races dumb a lot. We see it all the time, in almost ever race. She goes out ahead of everyone else.

and the question throughout those races is : Can Mary hold on?

Well, she broke the all women's marathon WR, and has set several road records ( half marathon, etc)

We know Kipchoge has brains, but does he have balls? .......

What are you on man? The split in London this year was 61 flat. It would be enough to win most half marathons (not the ones in the level of Rome or Copenhagen of course).

He ran 2:03:32 in less than ideal conditions a year ago in Berlin. He ran 2:03:04 in 2016. He won Olympic Gold. The only time he didn't won a marathon was in his debut and a WR was run in that same race. His race average time (not the sub 2) must be under 2:05.

It's incredibly hard to be so consistent in such an unpredictable and violent event like the marathon. Yet, the guy delivers every

time. He is the roughest competitor I've ever seen and is completely immune to whatever mind games might come his way.

The reason you see Bekele and Kipchoge kick is because they can, but it isn't necessarily correlated with their track finishing speed per say. It's simply because their superior aerobic engine allows them to be in less deficit in the last 3 or 4 miles. Kipsang might have won Berlin if he didn't push from 30-40kms.

It would make more sense to question Kimetto's time really.

Let's do that then. I think Kipchoge is a better marathoner than Kimetto.

No.

Scorpion Runner's post has started one thought in my mind. Is there any other runner, at any distance, who has so dominated their event and consistently run fast times but never held the world record? When I think of other dominant runners, Usain Bolt, Edwin Moses, Coe, Ovett, Gebrselassie, Bekele, they have all broken records several times. The only individual who could be considered to have a similar characteristic to Kipchoge is Mo Farar but he would never be considered fast enough to challenge a world record.

This is not the first time you've shown admiration for running like an idiot. You must've been a big fan of Webb's 2005 world championship race.

under a bridge wrote:

Troll. If he's not the GOAT, who is?

Waiting.

Kipchoge is underrated. No other marathoner has been able to compete and win under the kind of conditions he has endured. From bad rabbiting to bad weather to bad day to try for a WR Kipchoge is always there and always wins. And he always wins on his terms. When he makes a move, it is over.

Kipchoge may break the WR, he may not. But either way he won't hold up as GOAT for long, because 800+ GOAT Augustine Choge is going to destroy all the records when he moves up. He's already fast enough at the half after only his second attempt, easily capable of 58.

800: 1:44

1500: 3:29

3000: 7:28

5000: 12:52

HM: 59:26

under a bridge wrote:

under a bridge wrote:

Troll. If he's not the GOAT, who is?

Waiting.

For Me, it's Haile. More wins, 2 Wrs. However, that is another conversation.

Raddison wrote:

Scorpion Runner's post has started one thought in my mind. Is there any other runner, at any distance, who has so dominated their event and consistently run fast times but never held the world record? When I think of other dominant runners, Usain Bolt, Edwin Moses, Coe, Ovett, Gebrselassie, Bekele, they have all broken records several times. The only individual who could be considered to have a similar characteristic to Kipchoge is Mo Farar but he would never be considered fast enough to challenge a world record.

I like the way you think, sir. That makes for an interesting subject.

Scorpion_runner wrote:

under a bridge wrote:

Waiting.

For Me, it's Haile. More wins, 2 Wrs. However, that is another conversation.

No Olympic medal in the marathon, and in fact he ducked the Olympics. 4 DNFs. Could only win Dubai and Berlin because he didn't want to race Wanjiru. Not even top 5 marathon careers (although 2nd in overall distance runner GOAT status).

I understand what you're saying about him not risking a win for the WR but I still think it's ridiculous to hold it against him...just look at last year's Berlin attempt:

Bekele -- DNF

Kipsang -- DNF

Kipchoge -- 2:03:32

That's 35s off WR and in less than ideal weather (rain and high humidity).

...Kipchoge didn't let those two gap him and sandbag while they pursue the WR in hopes they'll blow up and he can reel them in for the win; He ran right with them until they broke down and quit and he kept running. This idea that he's racing too conservatively is ridiculous.

Raddison wrote:

Scorpion Runner's post has started one thought in my mind. Is there any other runner, at any distance, who has so dominated their event and consistently run fast times but never held the world record?

Toshihiko Seko.

Running is about winning. Period. Stop obsessing about times.

Every course is different. Every race is different. The weather conditions are always different.

The only constant is when 2 or more runners toe the line. Then we can compare. The person who wins on that day is better. When you accumulate a bunch of wins, in big races where everyone can compete against you, then, and only then, can you make a case for being great.

Kipchoge has done this in spades. He's the best. Period.

It depends on what you mean by overrated.

Is Kipchoge the best and most feared marathoner of all time?

Yes. When he's in the race of the year, he's odds-on to win - a rare scenario in the marathon.

Does missing the WR in several attempts make him a lesser runner? Maybe by 1%.

You are a moderator desperately trying to get click bait on a dreadfully flow three weeks if running news.

shamr on you.

Shame.

Not to belabor the obvious, but a World Championships Gold Medal in the 5000m , defeating El Guerrouj and Bekele, at the age of 18, bespeaks greatness all by itself.

I was shocked to see no one had mentioned this yet.