What D1 programs should be great but aren't?

The point is valid. They capped the roster and don’t offer any money. 4:20 type kids have the door shut on them. If you run 4:10, you go looking for someone who will give you a few bucks for it.

Predictor wrote:

The point is valid. They capped the roster and don’t offer any money. 4:20 type kids have the door shut on them. If you run 4:10, you go looking for someone who will give you a few bucks for it.

Have fun at a mid major with that. And better do that as a junior...

winnr1 wrote:

Datesjat wrote:

They told my son 4:12/9:16 to pound sand.

1600/3200 or 1500/3000?

1600/3200

SoCal HS Coach wrote:

Datesjat wrote:

They told my son 4:12/9:16 to pound sand.

When did he run that? As a junior or senior? There’s a BIG difference in terms of the recruiting cycle. And when did he get a hold of them? They have decided to put zero $ into the distances & now have a very strict roster cap...something like 10-12 men for their XC roster or something insane...

Junior track. Emailed back a forth for over a year. Was finally told to pound sand in May of Junior year.

I just don’t understand so many coaches out there who turn kids away and then you look at the roster and see kids who were slower in HS end up on the roster. Even worse, many of the kids getting turned away were better academically also. Is it the old boys network or are some of these kids being listed as underrepresented groups?

Datesjat wrote:

SoCal HS Coach wrote:

When did he run that? As a junior or senior? There’s a BIG difference in terms of the recruiting cycle. And when did he get a hold of them? They have decided to put zero $ into the distances & now have a very strict roster cap...something like 10-12 men for their XC roster or something insane...

Junior track. Emailed back a forth for over a year. Was finally told to pound sand in May of Junior year.

Hilarious if true. The current roster shows 18 boys, 5 new freshmen. Their PR-JR times:

2:04/4:24/9:04-2:16/4:32/9:50

1:50/4:13/9:38-1:51/4:13/9:38

2:01/4:15/9:17-2:01/4:20/9:38

1:54/4:16/9:29-1:57/4:16/9:29

2:01/4:19/9:06-2:02/4:21/9:17

So what coach told a junior 4:12/9:16 that they are not interested?

Jenkeys wrote:

You forgot Stephanie Jenks 2016, 4:40 mile and 16:37 5k. Not competed yet.

Yep and this was predicted. Jenks peaked as a HS sophomore, was doing something like 18 workouts per week and was on fumes by senior year. More to recruiting than track times. Good case study for Cal underperforming

Say whatt wrote:

Datesjat wrote:

Junior track. Emailed back a forth for over a year. Was finally told to pound sand in May of Junior year.

Hilarious if true. The current roster shows 18 boys, 5 new freshmen. Their PR-JR times:

2:04/4:24/9:04-2:16/4:32/9:50

1:50/4:13/9:38-1:51/4:13/9:38

2:01/4:15/9:17-2:01/4:20/9:38

1:54/4:16/9:29-1:57/4:16/9:29

2:01/4:19/9:06-2:02/4:21/9:17

So what coach told a junior 4:12/9:16 that they are not interested?

LOL. He was told the only way to get a roster spot was to run at least 4:12/9:10. I guess wishes and nuts overcame their 2018 recruits.

Hagtser wrote:

Darthvadar wrote:

don’t know how they could be any good with a mid distance runner turned motivational speaker running their Xc program.

This is very true. My son was interested in Ohio State as a school and program until he started reading the motivational stuff online and decided that it was either incredible or scary, and he just didn’t want to take a chance that it is the latter.

Care to elaborate? I was looking at their program and I would love to have some insight.

Thoughts wrote:

Hagtser wrote:

This is very true. My son was interested in Ohio State as a school and program until he started reading the motivational stuff online and decided that it was either incredible or scary, and he just didn’t want to take a chance that it is the latter.

Care to elaborate? I was looking at their program and I would love to have some insight.

Sure. Just check out his twitter feed. Do you see what I see?

Hagtser wrote:

Thoughts wrote:

Care to elaborate? I was looking at their program and I would love to have some insight.

Sure. Just check out his twitter feed. Do you see what I see?

Sorry, who's Twitter? The coach, the "team's", some on the team?

Thank you for the quick response.

DistanceRunner68 wrote:

Hagtser wrote:

Sure. Just check out his twitter feed. Do you see what I see?

Sorry, who's Twitter? The coach, the "team's", some on the team?

Thank you for the quick response.

His twitter feed. The coach we are talking about. Do you see what I see?

Hagtser wrote:

DistanceRunner68 wrote:

Sorry, who's Twitter? The coach, the "team's", some on the team?

Thank you for the quick response.

His twitter feed. The coach we are talking about. Do you see what I see?

I see. Thank you

In a rut wrote:

rutrutrutrutrutrut wrote:

Rutgers

Can't over emphasize rutgers. New Jersey has so much talent every year and no one wants to run for the state's flagship school. Those who choose rutgers and improve are the exception.

I'm fairly certain that an allstar team of NJ D3 schools would whoop rutgers in a h2h meet

This. Hell, even 40 miles up north at Ramapo the d3 kid who broke 4 would whoop anyone Rutgers got from 600m-8k. It’s pathetic, but then again he did break 4

Getoutmulqueen wrote:

In a rut wrote:

Can't over emphasize rutgers. New Jersey has so much talent every year and no one wants to run for the state's flagship school. Those who choose rutgers and improve are the exception.

I'm fairly certain that an allstar team of NJ D3 schools would whoop rutgers in a h2h meet

This. Hell, even 40 miles up north at Ramapo the d3 kid who broke 4 would whoop anyone Rutgers got from 600m-8k. It’s pathetic, but then again he did break 4

And the most important thing about Rutgers is, they get solid recruits coming in every year. Usually top guys are in 9:1x and 4:15ish mile times, and occasionally a stud that’s ran 9:0x. But the coaching is horrific and it needs an overhaul, with the talent theyve had they could be a pretty good mid level program that can develop into something even more if they actually prove themselves

Datesjat wrote:

Say whatt wrote:

Hilarious if true. The current roster shows 18 boys, 5 new freshmen. Their PR-JR times:

2:04/4:24/9:04-2:16/4:32/9:50

1:50/4:13/9:38-1:51/4:13/9:38

2:01/4:15/9:17-2:01/4:20/9:38

1:54/4:16/9:29-1:57/4:16/9:29

2:01/4:19/9:06-2:02/4:21/9:17

So what coach told a junior 4:12/9:16 that they are not interested?

LOL. He was told the only way to get a roster spot was to run at least 4:12/9:10. I guess wishes and nuts overcame their 2018 recruits.

This is an epidemic with D1 coaches. The point is that the published numbers don’t mean a thing with regard to roster spots. They do however act as a way for coaches to lower expectations for scholarship money. What I don’t understand are coaches who tell kids that they have to run the time or not be considered when that is rarely if ever true. They should just tell kids something like “I’m looking for five guys and I will take the best five I can get.”

Have to add Manhattan to the list and no having Matt Sr there will change nothing

4 coaches past 5 years. Hearing current coach is useless, but they had to bring in a female after all the confirmed title IX violations.

Interesting what a coach who sexually harassed and verbally abused his team can do to bring down a program. Is he still coaching? Not seen him since the Ancila posts?