Can we stop pretending that winning gold at Euros is impressive?

Calm down wrote:

What Jakob did and how he ran to win showed racing wisdom beyond his years, but can we talk about how weak the fields always are at Euros? His latest DL performance was much more impressive than the euro double. Only one runner in either of those finals (spoiler it's Jakob) would ever sniff a WC or Olympic final. These were B-list small meet fields for the most part. Does anyone else feel this way.

Attempt to troll? Every distance event at Euros was LOTS stronger than at the USAs.

Only one ever sniff a WC final? It is a bad troll. Anyone that knows anything about running knows that Europe has the best.

2017 1500m final (hint 5 men from Europe in the final - most in the world - and no Jakob):

https://www.iaaf.org/competitions/iaaf-world-championships/iaaf-world-championships-london-2017-5151/results/men/1500-metres/final/result

While plenty of Europeans do end up getting to "sniff" the final it's hard to argue those Europeans are real medal contenders on a consistent basis. This is especially true in the 5K/10K. The 15 is a lot more unpredictable.

I can see where his is going. The DL 3rd place was essentially a WC final field.

Idiot racists wrote:

Only one ever sniff a WC final? It is a bad troll. Anyone that knows anything about running knows that Europe has the best.

2017 1500m final (hint 5 men from Europe in the final - most in the world - and no Jakob):

https://www.iaaf.org/competitions/iaaf-world-championships/iaaf-world-championships-london-2017-5151/results/men/1500-metres/final/result

Rio final had 2 Europeans...

Beijing has 1...

Moscow had whopping 4, with 3 of the last 5...

London had 2, one being Turkish...

Calm down wrote:

What Jakob did and how he ran to win showed racing wisdom beyond his years, but can we talk about how weak the fields always are at Euros? His latest DL performance was much more impressive than the euro double. Only one runner in either of those finals (spoiler it's Jakob) would ever sniff a WC or Olympic final. These were B-list small meet fields for the most part. Does anyone else feel this way.

Hi ViveLaRepublica!

Your anti-white/anti-Ingebrigstens prejudice really knows no bounds does it?

I would put my money on both Filip AND Jake Wightman reaching the World and Olympic finals. Lewendowski reached the final of the World Champs last year and is improving at 1500 all the time. Charlie Grice reached the Olympic Final in 2016.

Whether or not I should be banned, you (ViveLaRepublica) are a toxic element on this board. At least troll under your registered name.

Both Kenyan and Ethiopian runners will have to submit 3 drug tests in the 10 months leading up to Doha and Tokyo. Meanwhile, at the current doping failure rate, who knows who is going to be left to represent Kenya (assuming Kenya aren't banned before Tokyo).

I'd confidently predict that at least half of the Tokyo men's 1500 final will be non-African.

Of course the Euro is not as good as the WC. Euro is a subset of the world, so by definition it's not as strong. However, to say that winning it is not impressive is a slight exaggeration.

In the 1500m, six of the top 15 guys were there. It's hard to expect much more than that. Can you really expect all top 1500m runners in the world to come from Europe?

It is however fair to say that the 5000m field was rather weak. The top European (Henrik) is ranked 28th in the world this year (only six guys in the field ranked in the top 50). That being said, if Jakob ran a time trial type 5000m race right now, he would surely be in the top 12 or 15 in the world this year. Again, not super impressive, but slightly better.

Coevett wrote:

Both Kenyan and Ethiopian runners will have to submit 3 drug tests in the 10 months leading up to Doha and Tokyo. Meanwhile, at the current doping failure rate, who knows who is going to be left to represent Kenya (assuming Kenya aren't banned before Tokyo).

I'd confidently predict that at least half of the Tokyo men's 1500 final will be non-African.

7 of 13 in Rio were non-African. So you’re ‘confidently predicting’ the status quo?

Wow....i've got to say that i'm actually agreeing with coevett for once

All these fine people were at the Euros 2018:

800m:

Amel Tuka - 1:42.51 PB

Pierre-Ambroise Bosse - 1:42.53 PB

Adam Kszczot - 1:43.30 PB

Saul Ordóñez - 1:43.65PB

Marcin Lewandowski - 1:43.72 PB

1500m:

Filip Ingebrigtsen - 3:30.01 PB

Jakob Ingebrigtsen - 3:31.18 PB

Henrik Ingebrigtsen - 3:31.46 PB

Homiyu Tesfaye - 3:31.98 PB

Chris O'Hare - 3:32.11 PB

Jakub Holusa - 3:32.49 PB

Charlie Grice -3:33.60 PB

Jake Wightman - 3:33.96 PB

Marcin Lewandowski - 3:34.04 PB

5000m:

ÖZBILEN Kaan Kigen - 12:58.58 PB

ARIKAN Polat Kemboi - 13:05.98 PB

THOMPSON Chris - 13:11.51 PB

ABADÍA Antonio - 13:12.68 PB

AMDOUNI Morhad - 13:14.19 PB

MECHAAL Adel - 13:15.40 PB

INGEBRIGTSEN Henrik - 13:16.97 PB

INGEBRIGTSEN Jakob - 13:17.06 PB

10000m

ÖZBILEN Kaan Kigen - 27:03.49 PB

THOMPSON Chris - 27:27.36 PB

ARIKAN Polat Kemboi - 27:35.50 PB

AMDOUNI Morad - 27:36.80 PB

ABDI Bashir - 27:36.40 PB

RINGER Richard - 27:36.52 PB

BOUCHIKHI Soufiane - 27:41.20 PB

VERNON Andy - 27:42.62 PB

CRIPPA Yemaneberhan - 27:44.21 PB

Eat that. No way USAs have finer fields.

Well... the European population is over 700 million and the USA population is under 400 million so I’d certainly hope so...

Side note: Outside of the 800, those are pretty soft fields.

Macdaddy wrote:Well... the European population is over 700 million and the USA population is under 400 million so I’d certainly hope so...

Side note: Outside of the 800, those are pretty soft fields.

LOL. That's exactly my point and why winning Euros is a HUGE deal. Also show me a tougher field in 1500m than Euros??

Calm down wrote:

What Jakob did and how he ran to win showed racing wisdom beyond his years, but can we talk about how weak the fields always are at Euros? His latest DL performance was much more impressive than the euro double. Only one runner in either of those finals (spoiler it's Jakob) would ever sniff a WC or Olympic final. These were B-list small meet fields for the most part. Does anyone else feel this way.

Ridiculous. Filip Ingebrigtsen was a WC medallist in 2017. It's sad that your post can be refuted within about 0.1 second of reading it.

Scrotevett wrote:

Coevett wrote:

Both Kenyan and Ethiopian runners will have to submit 3 drug tests in the 10 months leading up to Doha and Tokyo. Meanwhile, at the current doping failure rate, who knows who is going to be left to represent Kenya (assuming Kenya aren't banned before Tokyo).

I'd confidently predict that at least half of the Tokyo men's 1500 final will be non-African.

7 of 13 in Rio were non-African. So you’re ‘confidently predicting’ the status quo?

Well that just shows how absurd your original assertion was VivaLaPervotica.

The European population of '700 million' includes 150 million Russians, who are currently suspended from athletics.

Scotland and Norway, each with a population of 5 million, could both field a better 4 x 1500m relay team than the USA currently.

Not to mention the population of the USA is much younger. So the under 30 populations of non-Russian Europe and the USA are likely similar.

Coevett wrote:

Macdaddy wrote:

Well... the European population is over 700 million and the USA population is under 400 million so I’d certainly hope so...

Side note: Outside of the 800, those are pretty soft fields.

The European population of '700 million' includes 150 million Russians, who are currently suspended from athletics.

Scotland and Norway, each with a population of 5 million, could both field a better 4 x 1500m relay team than the USA currently.

Brilliant point. Also the fact that Great Britain and Norway each could beat USA at 4x1500m is pretty fascinating. Also Poland would beat USA in 4x800m.

Coevett wrote:

Macdaddy wrote:

Side note: Outside of the 800, those are pretty soft fields.

The European population of '700 million' includes 150 million Russians, who are currently suspended from athletics.

Scotland and Norway, each with a population of 5 million, could both field a better 4 x 1500m relay team than the USA currently.

Yeah... if only they could show up at the Olympics ???

The USA is SHAKING IN THEIR BOOTS thinking about the ZERO COMBINED MEDALS over the last two Olympics from Scotland and Norway.

Thank god Europe had Farah or this pass decade would be BAD.

artojas wrote:

Coevett wrote:

The European population of '700 million' includes 150 million Russians, who are currently suspended from athletics.

Scotland and Norway, each with a population of 5 million, could both field a better 4 x 1500m relay team than the USA currently.

Brilliant point. Also the fact that Great Britain and Norway each could beat USA at 4x1500m is pretty fascinating. Also Poland would beat USA in 4x800m.

And the World has an even bigger population!

I'm not sure what population size has to do with whether or not the fields were competitive. Look at the entry lists. Euros is more competitive than USAs. End of.

The people at work think I'm a great runner when I win my local parkrun with over 1000 people.

The people at work think it's not impressive when I finish 7th out of 8 in an 800m track race in 1:48.

Your argument screams hobby jogger.