Lionel Sanders is Full of Sh!t

He sure doesn't look like he's going that fast with that hobbling stride, but the guy has multiple 1:10-1:11 halfs at the end of 70.3 comps this year alone (there is a 1:09:20 from several years ago, which is an outlier), so he should be physically capable of running sub 10 2M repeats. If he can run 1:10-1:11 off swim and bike, then he can surely run 1:07-1:08 fresh.

In the video he sure lives up to the tool reputation of the triathlete, but sounds like he led a hard life before getting clean and doing tri.

Exactly. He's a 1:10-1:11 half marathon runner on Ironman courses (and based on his GPS files, they are 12.8-12.9 miles)... I've run 1:06 and I know for a fact he can't run a 9:34 two mile with that form and looking like that. Would love to see him jump on a track and try that.

He ran 3000m.

jkjl wrote:

Exactly. He's a 1:10-1:11 half marathon runner on Ironman courses (and based on his GPS files, they are 12.8-12.9 miles)... I've run 1:06 and I know for a fact he can't run a 9:34 two mile with that form and looking like that. Would love to see him jump on a track and try that.

He ran 3000m.

Guys break 9 with form like that. It's more about how fast you move rather than how you look doing it.

Go rewatch lass viren running, he looks like he's jogging.

I mean, that didn't look like 9:34 I agree.

But Lionel is a good guy that trains hard. Beat him in a race before talking too much about his workout times...

I've never heard of this dude until this thread, I have found a new hero after watching that video.

There's no way he's moving at sub 5 pace in those videos... that form is rough

I'm not saying it's actually a legit workout, but 10:05 is only slightly faster pace than he could run 10k XC on hilly Canadian courses 5 years ago, finishing around guys who had run 13:45-14:45 for 5000m. Doesn't seem out of the realm of possibilities he could run 10k pace for 3 x 2 miles 5 years later. I've done a similar workout, for example, where I was fitter than my pb and ran a couple seconds per km faster than 10k pace. If you assume he got more fit over 5 years in his 20s, that seems like a reasonable workout on its own. Not sure how much his fitness would have to have improved for it to happen during a brick workout, though.

He was second at Kona last year and one of the top half and long course triathletes in the world - he is definitely fitter than he was in Canadian university XC.

His previous video is even better where he is talking about the power of the mind while cycling on his trainer. This dude has been my idol for the last 2 or 3 years. This guy trains like a savage and has the most mental toughness of anyone I have ever seen. His run form SUCKS but he does run fast. I believe his splits.

RealCici wrote:

His previous video is even better where he is talking about the power of the mind while cycling on his trainer. This dude has been my idol for the last 2 or 3 years. This guy trains like a savage and has the most mental toughness of anyone I have ever seen. His run form SUCKS but he does run fast. I believe his splits.

He's an absolute freak, the dude starts his days with 2 hour swims in that endless pool in his garage, that's gotta be the modern equivalent of some torture. Then he will put in another two hours on the trainer. Takes a special brain and one not entirely devoid of mental problems as well. Guess that's what makes the great, great

Being he grew up as an XC runner,. Perhaps his run form deteriorated due to use of a time trial bike. Unlike ITU guys who look like gazelles when running. Tri bike cramps you into terrible hip position for hours

Unless his stride is like 3+ meters then I’m calling bs on that 9:34.

Lionel Sanders is doping. Mark my words.

He is a good runner. I've raced him in a road 10k and he's legit. Could probably come close to 30 flat in a 10k track race in peak shape. He also raced 10k Canadian university XC races about 6-7 years ago and did well. I'd believe he did that workout, easily.

Funny. I just watched this this morning and thought, 'Gosh, his form is horrible. There's no way he's moving that fast.' But it seems to work for him. Lance Armstrong had a similar running style when he switched to Tris. Sanders's accolades certainly don't lie.

Dion Sanders. LOL

fred_ wrote:

Lionel Sanders is doping. Mark my words.

So give me the goods. Easy to say it because tri is pretty unregulated, and because he has an "out of nowhere" type story, but where is more than that?

What doping coaches is he linked to? What doping athletes does he train with? What mysterious camps does he disappear to in the off season and come back stronger? What doping doctors and trainers and agents is he connected with?

He trains in Ontario, Canada on his own. He is a stubborn mule that doesn't listen to pretty much anyone else. If you believe he is a doper drop an anonymous tip and it won't be hard to catch him out of competition (he is basically always home and easily found) - but that hasn't happened has it?

So connect the dots for me - show me the evidence/rumours.

jkjl wrote:

Exactly. He's a 1:10-1:11 half marathon runner on Ironman courses (and based on his GPS files, they are 12.8-12.9 miles)... I've run 1:06 and I know for a fact he can't run a 9:34 two mile with that form and looking like that. Would love to see him jump on a track and try that.

He ran 3000m.

How do you know for a fact? Have you actually seen him try, and fail? Or are you just speculating? Because if you are just speculating, it isn't a fact. It is only a fact if it is provable. I suspect what you mean is that you don't think he could do it, but you are not really sure.