Alabama to win NCAA xc 2018

RollKenya wrote:

As per Alabama’s 2018 cross country roster they have two additional Kenyan runners to join the trio of Chelanga, Kiprop, and Kigen.

Octopias Ndiwa and Noel Rotich are the additions.

NCAA

- ridiculous schedule for XC and Track

- aligned with pay to view websites

- allowing a free for all for foreign athletes

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Alabama... five Kenyans... who knows what age they are???

Many university sport programs are doing this not just XC and track. Beyond ridiculous is the abuse of tax payer monies to fund the excessive level of foreign athlete participation in NCAA sports. In so doing, paying for the development of other county’s national team members.

The NCAA has their heads up their ass and is disenfranchising American youth who find it increasingly difficult to make a team because of so many faster/better foreigners. It is not a level playing field. Europeans, Australians and NZ’s are typically 1 to 2 years older. The Africans are much older then that. I Have A Dream is bringing in African men as freshman to play soccer and NCAA teams are gobbling them up at any chance they have to academically make it in. Track and Field is a global smorgasbord of international stars brought to you by the ease of click send to college recruiters. Tennis is filled with foreign athletes. It’s the US against the world.

Some Foreign coaches are a direct pipeline for athletes from their country/city/town. At who’s cost? Yours and mine financially and most importantly our young athletes and their future.

NCAA, do what’s right and cap foreign athletes to 25% of a teams roster and 25% of scholarship monies.

What is your definition of foreign? Any non citizen?

In May of 2017 Noel Rotich ran an 8:52.2 in the 3k steeple. He'll be entering the NCAA track scene two years removed from that performance. May very well factor in as an all american right away.

Quite being so butt hurt about it! Everyone always wants to single out the Kenyans for being to old when I know plenty of plenty Europeans,Australians, and NZ's who are just as old as they are coming in. I think it's great that these guys are getting the opportunity for a free education and expierence that they would never expierence back home. To say it's the "US against the world" is just flat out dumb when these people coming in from different countries are living,training, and competing with the other US athletes on their team. I think having foreign teammates is a very eye opening expierence and something that all US atheletes should expierence. It teaches you a lot of things that can be very helpful for the future. These foreign men and women have worked just as hard as everyone else to earn a spot on their team. Piss off man.

Wow, what a whiny little biatch you are. Seriously, that is one of the most pathetic things I have read on here and that is saying a lot. There is plenty of opportunity for American youth to compete in the NCAA if they work hard. Get over it.

NCAA DI manual

2.6 The Principle of Nondiscrimination. [*]

The Association shall promote an atmosphere of respect for and sensitivity to the dignity of every person. It is

the policy of the Association to refrain from discrimination with respect to its governance policies, educational

programs, activities and employment policies, including on the basis of age, color, disability, gender, national

origin, race, religion, creed or sexual orientation. It is the responsibility of each member institution to determine

independently its own policy regarding nondiscrimination. (Adopted: 1/16/93, Revised: 1/16/00)

dumb and dumber wrote:

Wow, what a whiny little biatch you are. Seriously, that is one of the most pathetic things I have read on here and that is saying a lot. There is plenty of opportunity for American youth to compete in the NCAA if they work hard. Get over it.

Xenophobia aside, and outside of BYU, what opportunities are there really for American youth to enter college at 22 after 4 years of base building and maturation?

There’s no doubt that it’s an uneven playing field and there’s nothing wrong with saying it out loud. That being said, I definitely believe that having foreigners compete at the NCAA level is a net positive.

Military service.

I do not agree with age cheats. I am only talking about legitimate student-athletes from foreign countries. Nothing wrong with it in my opinion. I think there is a bigger discrepancy how some schools play with financial aid.

Alabama has the best PED connnections

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You didn’t read/comprehend the post.

It mentioned not just Kenyans but Australians, New Zealanders and Europeans as being older than typical American collegiate athletes.

Saying “ it is the US against the world” isn’t dumb at all. It is the US paying for the scholarships that are enjoyed by the athletes so therefore it is in fact the US against the world in reference to US athletes having to compete against athletes from a multitude of countries.

I agree with your point about the experiences gained by having people on a team from different countries/backgrounds. The post was more about the numbers of foreign athletes on teams.

For those getting “the free education” it is great. In this case it is the US tax payer providing the “free” sounds like you advocate Free education for everyone or is that just for foreign athletes? Free everthing for everyone! Guys like you piss me off man.

dumb and dumber wrote:

Wow, what a whiny little biatch you are. Seriously, that is one of the most pathetic things I have read on here and that is saying a lot. There is plenty of opportunity for American youth to compete in the NCAA if they work hard. Get over it.

Not pathetic at all. Tell that to the 18 year old freshman who is competing against a 20 something freshman. Tell that to the kid who had to over train in high school in order to have sufficient times in the eleventh grade to stack up to more mature athletes from a multitude of countries from around the world soliciting the same coaches. It is no wonder why so many American kids are injury prone once they get into University.

Age cheating is like taking PED’s when it comes to endurance and even strength sports. Africans are notorious age cheats, Europeans, Australians are mild by comparison and BYU gains advantage as well but to lesser extent.

Back to Alabama now having five Kenyans on their roster. Poacher... travel agent... winning and getting bonuses the easy way. I can’t respect this approach. Nor can I respect the approach from New Mexico, UTEP, Campbell, Iona, etc., etc. are these coaches inherently less capable?

I guess if the AD mainly cares about winning, this approach makes sense. I wonder if Alabama will be able to sustain it for more than 2 years. I hope a team with 5 Americans can beat them.

Bam bam wrote:

I guess if the AD mainly cares about winning, this approach makes sense. I wonder if Alabama will be able to sustain it for more than 2 years. I hope a team with 5 Americans can beat them.

Saban’s contract was extended again. He’s got like 10 more years on the current contract. He’s really just getting warmed up. I wouldnt be surprised if we have 25 natty’s by the time he’s through. Only question in my mind is how bad we’d beat the Browns.

Some coaches are inherently less capable wrote:

dumb and dumber wrote:

Wow, what a whiny little biatch you are. Seriously, that is one of the most pathetic things I have read on here and that is saying a lot. There is plenty of opportunity for American youth to compete in the NCAA if they work hard. Get over it.

Not pathetic at all. Tell that to the 18 year old freshman who is competing against a 20 something freshman. Tell that to the kid who had to over train in high school in order to have sufficient times in the eleventh grade to stack up to more mature athletes from a multitude of countries from around the world soliciting the same coaches. It is no wonder why so many American kids are injury prone once they get into University.

Coming from a D3 athlete, I’ll tell them they need to be more talented. Not everyone is capable of the highest collegiate level. Sorry sweetheart.

WahhWahhhWahhh wrote:

Quite being so butt hurt about it! Everyone always wants to single out the Kenyans for being to old when I know plenty of plenty Europeans,Australians, and NZ's who are just as old as they are coming in. I think it's great that these guys are getting the opportunity for a free education and expierence that they would never expierence back home.

For those who have no qualms about and defend the idea of older athletes in the NCAA from foreign countries.

I hope that you wouldn't be silent about or even contribute to the jargon that BYU or any other school with a returned missionary has an unfair advantage and is racing men against boys just because the athlete decides to make a two year hiatus, putting running aside, in the pursuit of what they feel is a worthy and sacred cause. Don't bash or not defend BYU while at the same time being agreeable to the notion that some Kenyan or other foreign athlete may wait a couple years after normal high school age to train up in pursuit of a full time scholarship in the US so that they can open up doors and opportunities via paid education and the further development of their running skills here in the U.S.

RollKenya wrote:

Octopias Ndiwa and Noel Rotich are the additions.

Octopias Ndiwa has got to be one of the most badass names out there.

Per the article below only 4% of XC participants are foreign students. That is below the overall NCAA average of 4.5%.

Alan

The problem is that the 4% are concentrated on about 10 teams. Most schools have no foreigners on their teams.

Don't blame the athletes. Blame the pathetic coaches who recruit foreign athletes on a regular basis. They know they can't develop talent so they recruit older established athletes and then hope they don't screw them up. Too many crappy coaches at the collegiate level.