It can be done: Caster Semenya got beat last week at African champs for the first time in 38 races (in her heat w/video)

Looked like a 12 year old girl passing a grown ass man.

That absolutely did look like a twelve year old girl passing a grown ass man.

I watched the videos. My eyes tell me that Caster is a man. 100%, no doubt, a man. I do not believe there is any person alive who would identify Caster as a woman based on appearance. I’m not saying Caster is a man, but how am I, or anyone else, suppose to know that Caster isn’t a man? I’m not familiar with the rules, perhaps there are none, but does someone merely need to say “I’m a woman” and they can run in women’s races or is there something more required? Is there a “test”? Or is sex texting not allowed anymore?

*testing, not texting.

Caster has to allow someone to beat him/her occasionally to give the illusion that she/he is a woman. Which is also why he/she doesn’t pop a 1:51 like he/she is capable of running. Sandbagger yes.

Caster is known to have testes, so yes he/she/xir is male biologically.

wejo wrote:

Granted it was in a prelim and the day after Semenya won the 400 but it was the first time in 38 800 races including prelims that someone finishead of Caster in an 800.

Winnie Nanyondo of Uganda finished in front.

Video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRA0Qx6A5yohttps://twitter.com/athleticsafrica/status/1025765621735284736

Semenya of course won the final with ease:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhzlCYmJAK0

Why in the world did you feel the need to write that a woman finished ahead of Semenya??? That's like writing a man finished ahead of Rupp or Farah or whatever. A person or their name would have sufficed. Get over your obsession with Caster and start reporting better. This is beyond amateur.

TopBird wrote:

Caster is known to have testes, so yes he/she/xir is male biologically.

Actually she's been said to have testes, it has never actually been confirmed.

Fridgette wrote:

TopBird wrote:

Caster is known to have testes, so yes he/she/xir is male biologically.

Actually she's been said to have testes, it has never actually been confirmed.

There's not a chance that Semenya has full adult male testes. Her rumoured condition just wouldn't allow that to happen (some form of androgen insensitivity).

Testes and ovaries are organs that form from the same starting point. There is a scale between ovaries and testes during development, and it is far more likely that Semenya's organs sit somewhere along that scale of undeveloped testes. They are likely neither ovaries nor testes but somewhere in between.

Both testes and ovaries produce both testosterone and oestrogen.

ayyyyyyy wrote:

Why in the world did you feel the need to write that a woman finished ahead of Semenya??? That's like writing a man finished ahead of Rupp or Farah or whatever. A person or their name would have sufficed. Get over your obsession with Caster and start reporting better. This is beyond amateur.

+1.

The whole point here is that Semenya is a substandard male sexed runner who is taking advantage of a complex social issue (which really has no place in sex based sports) in order to make a healthy living at female athletes expense.

Just because Castor has not won this time does not validate in any way Castor's inclusion. That would be crazy - as long as Castor doesn't win every time then it's ok for Castor to compete?! If the argument is that Semenya is a substandard male sexed athlete then whether Castor finishes 1st, 2nd, last... whatever is irrelevant. It's as simple as Semenya just shouldn't be allowed to compete. You can't have a rule book that says intersex athletes are allowed to compete as females as long as they aren't very good!

ex-runner wrote:

Both testes and ovaries produce both testosterone and oestrogen.

Although true, thats like saying a Toyota Corolla Sport is an actual sports car.

A healthy man with testes will typically have 10-11X more T than a (intersex) woman without testes

and as a result of T have more muscle fat, lower body fat, higher VO2 max etc etc.

Good click bait. In the final where it matters, she won by a country mile.

The rules change on November 1 for Testosterone levels, but only distances up to the mile. Next year she will likely perform consistently much more like that semi-final race.

ayyyyyyy wrote:

Why in the world did you feel the need to write that a woman finished ahead of Semenya??? That's like writing a man finished ahead of Rupp or Farah or whatever. A person or their name would have sufficed. Get over your obsession with Caster and start reporting better. This is beyond amateur.

If I said "Someone finished ahead of Caster Semenya" I would get criticized for not saying woman.

I guess I could have said "Caster Semenya got beat last week at African champs for the first time in 38 races (in her heat w/video)"

But with the whole intersex issue the question is whether a biological woman can beat Caster so I don't think it's too far off the mark. But I'll change the title thread because my intention wasn't to be an ass.

BOYS WILL BE BOYS.

ayyyyyyy wrote:

Why in the world did you feel the need to write that a woman finished ahead of Semenya??? That's like writing a man finished ahead of Rupp or Farah or whatever. A person or their name would have sufficed. Get over your obsession with Caster and start reporting better. This is beyond amateur.

Because a women did finish ahead of him, obviously. The reporting was accurate.

*woman