If it was my daughter and she didn't like the coach's style I'd help her transfer.
I would not be okay with her having any participation in getting the entire track coaching staff fired.
If it was my daughter and she didn't like the coach's style I'd help her transfer.
I would not be okay with her having any participation in getting the entire track coaching staff fired.
No meat in this wrote:
If my daughter who is currently running for a high profile D1 program came home with these complaints I would tell her WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD. If it is too tough on you then quit. But stop blaming your own inadequacies on someone else.
so you'd teach her to be a coward?
What comes around wrote:
There are thousands of coaches who would love to coach at the University of Washington. If Metcalf can't communicate with today's kids in a way that helps them prosper, the University has every reason to send him packing. He won a Championship 10 years ago, which is amazing, but it doesn't guarantee him future employment.
This is what I was wondering in another thread. So he got that championship and had a couple of champion runners on the track. But it seemed like a lot of good runners didn't run to their potential. If a football or basketball coach at UW is losing, they get sacked. But I suppose this isn't true for the smaller sports apparently.
Like the basketball coach they kept on too long (Lorenzo Romar), Metcalf was an alum of UW who had been a highly successful athlete there. They both recruited very well, which always had people thinking major success was just around the corner, but it rarely happened. Plus being alums seemed to earn them extra slack.
Then Jen Cohen came on the scene as AD (also a UW alum, the first to hold that post in at least 50 years) with higher expectations of all the sports, not just football. Romar had a worse season than usual so she canned him, and Metcalf was already on thin ice after athlete complaints a few years ago and a terrible season this year in XC, indoor, and outdoor T&F. They also got smashed by WSU in their lone outdoor dual meet. So when new allegations came in from athletes about his behavior, it didn’t take her long to get rid of him.
I have heard nothing from the members of the championship team. Wonder what runners like Marie Lawrence and Katharine Flood think about the situation. One of the team leaders transferred to UNC the next year and eventually to UNM.
Teaching toughness to your children pays off in the long run. It is tough out there in the world. You need a thick skin. That doesn't mean silence, but it does mean that you can handle minor issues such as a coach's criticism. At least they were being coached. Most coaches do nothing to coach the herd, saving all that for the top runners.
it's often tougher to take on an abusive figure of authority than to just put your head down and take the abuse.
Natural response is to take it, so can hardly call that tough, just typical. It's often the 'easy' way.
Jen Cohen is a mutt alum? SDSU undergrad, PLU masters. Typical husky fan- just write what you don’t know.
No meat in this wrote:
Your response proved my point.
If my daughter was unhappy I would explain that she has 2 adult choices.
1. Accept it or
2. Move on
Or one childish choice
1. Cry that you are not happy.
I understand that in today's society parents spend more time complaining about teachers than parenting. This is just another example.
How about when you see someone acting like an a-hole, you do something about it?
zxcvzxcv wrote:
Teaching toughness to your children pays off in the long run. It is tough out there in the world. You need a thick skin. That doesn't mean silence, but it does mean that you can handle minor issues such as a coach's criticism. At least they were being coached. Most coaches do nothing to coach the herd, saving all that for the top runners.
The alleged quotes are not criticism. How is calling a woman a "fat lesbian" coach's criticism?
zxcvzxcv wrote:
Teaching toughness to your children pays off in the long run. It is tough out there in the world. You need a thick skin. That doesn't mean silence, but it does mean that you can handle minor issues such as a coach's criticism. At least they were being coached. Most coaches do nothing to coach the herd, saving all that for the top runners.
Um no. I ran for a PAC 12 team and our coach would never do anything like that. No comments made about weight, no yelling or putting us down. It actually was a really positive environment and I don’t think that makes me or any of my other teammmates less tough. If anything, we enjoyed going to practice and meetings and didn’t dread it (as it seems like UW athletes did).
zxcvzxcv wrote:
Teaching toughness to your children pays off in the long run. It is tough out there in the world. You need a thick skin. That doesn't mean silence, but it does mean that you can handle minor issues such as a coach's criticism. At least they were being coached. Most coaches do nothing to coach the herd, saving all that for the top runners.
The guy was a jerk. It wasn’t just criticism. Can you read well? That’s just criticism.
A good rule in life for your children is that if you piss enough people off in life it’s going to come back and bite them. If you are going to upset a lot of people you better be sure you have sufficient power and results to back it up.
This guy got what was coming to him. If he wasn’t working for a university he would have been fired long ago. Lucky for him he lasted as long as he did because there is next to zero accountability in US higher ed institutions.
[quote]UW Alum wrote:
They both recruited very well, which always had people thinking major success was just around the corner, but it rarely happened.
He DIDN'T recruit well this year. Pretty much none of the top runners who went on officials this year ended up there and there were many top runners that UW reached out to that didn't even want to go on a visit and waste an official there. The running community is really a small one and although UW is saying that they didn't know what was going on, pretty much all of the top HS runners (at least in WA and NW area) had heard the stories.
just read the artcil wrote:
Anyone know if his lesbian comment ended up being true?
the article says:
"My best friend in college, she told me later that he used to call me a 'fat lesbian' behind my back. I was engaged to a man. And I don’t think you should use the term ‘lesbian’ in a negative way regardless."
What a weird quote. I was engaged to a man. That makes it sound like she never married him. Which was is she batting these days?
Notsonotso wrote:
[quote]UW Alum wrote:
They both recruited very well, which always had people thinking major success was just around the corner, but it rarely happened.
He DIDN'T recruit well this year. Pretty much none of the top runners who went on officials this year ended up there and there were many top runners that UW reached out to that didn't even want to go on a visit and waste an official there. The running community is really a small one and although UW is saying that they didn't know what was going on, pretty much all of the top HS runners (at least in WA and NW area) had heard the stories.
How naive are you? They aren’t just stories. It so happens he was canned this year for exactly the reason you point out. He stopped recruiting well. You can be a b@st@rd as much as you want as long as you have results.
It’s a Machiavellian world. Prepare your children. And check your ivory tower principles at the door.
Nobody saying it but me - and all the histrionics here refuse to reply to me so I'll keep saying it for visibility sake
The VAST majority of athletes under Metcalf were/are not pushing for him to be fired / resign.
-meaning a vocal minority is leading this charge
-evident in the articles provided, the vocal athletes have psychological issues (anxiety attacks, anorexia, etc)
These psychological weaklings got a ton of people fired. Go tell Pat Licari and his family or Jason Drake and his family how happy you are about what you accomplished you little sharts.
Dril wrote:
Notsonotso wrote:
[quote]UW Alum wrote:
They both recruited very well, which always had people thinking major success was just around the corner, but it rarely happened.
He DIDN'T recruit well this year. Pretty much none of the top runners who went on officials this year ended up there and there were many top runners that UW reached out to that didn't even want to go on a visit and waste an official there. The running community is really a small one and although UW is saying that they didn't know what was going on, pretty much all of the top HS runners (at least in WA and NW area) had heard the stories.
How naive are you? They aren’t just stories. It so happens he was canned this year for exactly the reason you point out. He stopped recruiting well. You can be a b@st@rd as much as you want as long as you have results.
It’s a Machiavellian world. Prepare your children. And check your ivory tower principles at the door.
Yes, that was the point I was trying to make to "UW Alum"... HS runners knew what was going on (just through word of mouth) even if UW pretended they didn't while things were going well for the program. When you are a PAC -12 coach and can't get any of the top HS talent to commit or visit and your program isn't doing as well as it once was, all of a sudden the university takes action. Lots of people knew what was going on for a long time.
Anyone know where Jason Drake landed or if he has yet?
wow. That’s terrible logic. I’m guessing you are a UW grad? The vast majority of women interacting with Harvey Weinstein weren’t r@ped. Does that make it okay for the 5% that were?
That is most likely a terrible analogy but fair given your statement. It’s a stupid point. How many people does a murderer need to kill to be a murderer? A majority?
The point is per the WBUR story metcalf comes off as a bipolar maniac. You can’t go around screaming at people, even if only occasionally and expect to keep your job.
THIS is the real world we speak of. Your coach is a b@st@rd. And in no other setting would he be able to keep a position if power while simultaneously being an unstable maniac. Sorry he wasn’t an absolute serial killer and hurt 51% of you directly.
Kettle wrote:
Nobody saying it but me - and all the histrionics here refuse to reply to me so I'll keep saying it for visibility sake
The VAST majority of athletes under Metcalf were/are not pushing for him to be fired / resign.
-meaning a vocal minority is leading this charge
-evident in the articles provided, the vocal athletes have psychological issues (anxiety attacks, anorexia, etc)
These psychological weaklings got a ton of people fired. Go tell Pat Licari and his family or Jason Drake and his family how happy you are about what you accomplished you little sharts.
You aren't seeing the bigger picture here...Metcalf being fired isn't about the complaints, or how many people complained, or if they have issues or not, or how many athletes hated him or loved him. The complaints existed for a LONG time (not just this year) but action wasn't taken at that time. The reason why this happened was because the team wasn't performing well and Metcalf wasn't recruiting well anymore. The complaints were just an excuse for UW to be able to get Metcalf out the door.
I personally know one female runner (recruited but not a top, full-ride athlete) who left the team over similar treatment. I understand one other top line female runner tried to transfer, but the school refused to release her. I found the story of how "inspiring" someone found Greg's encouragement at the cross country race. A close friend of mine attended a UW meet and like everyone else was moving around the course following the race. He called me that night, and said Metcalf was calling out to several of his runners by the wrong name!
Stories/rumors like Katie Knight's experience have been going on for quite awhile at the UW.