RG 3 trained with Brooks Johnson and Justin Gatlin over the winter - considered competing in Tokyo 2020 in decathlon or 110h

Holy typos batman! I'm sure you can still figure it out though

Whatley wrote:

So tired of hearing.....he was a world class sprinter....for every footballer who ran ever track. We heard that last night with RGIII, when it's actually..... ..no he wasn't.

The guy was a good HS/college hurdler, he did absolutely nothing that even hints at Olympic type ability.

You don't think a sub 50 in the 400 hurdles and 3rd at NCAAs hints at Olympic type ability? I'm not a fan of the guy and those constant track statements every time he's on camera annoy me too, but they're true.

I doubt.....World Class....really fits any trackster who never made it out of their Olympic trials semi finals. RGIII beat what World Class hurdler? Yep.....he didn't.

YES.....he was good in HS and a good college hurdler. BUT....was never World Class.

Free_the_thigh wrote:

Les wrote:

The javelin is a very, very different SHAPE than any ball. Trying to throw a javelin like a football would be disastrous.

I'm really struggling to see how throwing a football isn't similar to a javelin. I haven't thrown a javelin since high school but I removed it being a similar motion. In many ways I'd even say a football throw is similar to golf swing and is similar to a javelin thrown: the power in all three is generated the same way

Yes, they are different shapes, but isn't the fundamental motion the same in the sense of leading with hips, finishing with the arm?

Terry Bradshaw was a National caliber javelin thrower at La Tech.

Les wrote:

Technical events would derail decathlon. Pole vault/high jump/throws. Can't just pick those up in a year or two.

Yeah, technique is hard to learn and some great athletes just never seem to really get some of the technical events.

However, its not unheard of for somebody to make amazing progress in an event.

Your "Can't just pick those up in a year or two" comment brings to mind this Tatiana Grigo. She was a national level youth competitor in the 400m in Russia. She married an elite vaulter and they moved to Australia so he could work on the vault with a group there.

She was bored, so started jumping at his practices. Within 12 months, she got third at the goodwill games. Within 24 months, third at world champs. 36 months after first picking up vault, she got a silver medal in the olympics.

RGIII does display some all around athleticism, not just good speed and hurdle technique, so you never know. His 400mh as a freshman was clearly a national class senior time. I do think it remains to he seen if he was truly an olympic level talent as he likes to claim.

Very impressive, but decathlon requires skill at more than one technique event. Besides the pole vault there is also: long jump, shot put, high jump, 110 hurdles, discus, javelin. It's doubtful anyone has ever learned from scratch in a year or two all these events to the point they could be a world class decathlete.

thisguyisanidiot wrote:

This might be the single dumbest post I've ever read on LR. You clearly have never thrown a Javelin and have no understanding of the event.

I admit I am not an expert since my only experience comes from high school, but I did throw jav for 3 years there. I threw 165’, which was enough to qualify for our class meet but that’s about it.

I grew up playing baseball and the window for your arm is way different from jav there. It’s more off to the side, sort of halfway (maybe 3/4) between right over the top and side arm. Whereas the jav, for me at least, came more directly over my shoulder. It felt like a football throw and in fact the jav guys on my team liked to throw around footballs to warm up before the javs came out.

So my comment was based on my own high school experience. If everyone else finds it wrong then I can accept that.

Just to clarify what I mean by release points, this is baseball:

http://media.nj.com/yankees_main/photo/mariano-rivera-yankeesjpg-401c19273b65fd4c.jpg

This football:

https://goo.gl/images/4f1cNR

I always felt the jav motion was similar to the latter.

RG3 is an excellent athlete. He will do well in the events that he has experience in. I think he will struggle some in the pole vault, high jump, discus, and of course the 1500. I'll be very surprised if he can break 8,000 points.

I would be surprised if he could break 6500 points. Has he ever even completed one decathlon? Ever pole vaulted even 10 feet or even picked up a shot or jav? He is currently playing the same game several other pros have when their career is over...try another sport that they were once good at. Tim Tebow anyone? His only shot is the 400 hurdles, and even that is a huge stretch at this point.

Theriot wrote:I would be surprised if he could break 6500 points.

Whatley wrote:

So tired of hearing.....he was a world class sprinter....for every footballer who ran ever track. We heard that last night with RGIII, when it's actually..... ..no he wasn't.

The guy was a good HS/college hurdler, he did absolutely nothing that even hints at Olympic type ability. And if he did get silly his best event was the 400 hurdles.

What he really is is one of the fastest NFL QB's ever, If there was a NFL 100m QB race he has a lane.

Dude, he competed in the '08 Olympic Trials at the age of 18 (400H). That doesn't make him an Olympian, but it more than hints at Olympic ability.

Tebow threw the football like a javelin.

What did the guy actually do? Ever hear of Preston Griffen, Carter Suggs, Frank Lombardi, Mel Clipper, Jerry White? All showd "potential" but.............................

RGIII had "potential" but never really showed anything that planted the see "future Olympian".

Rg3 was born in Japan, why doesn't he go for their Olympic team?

Theriot wrote:

I would be surprised if he could break 6500 points. Has he ever even completed one decathlon? Ever pole vaulted even 10 feet or even picked up a shot or jav? He is currently playing the same game several other pros have when their career is over...try another sport that they were once good at. Tim Tebow anyone? His only shot is the 400 hurdles, and even that is a huge stretch at this point.

I broke 6500 points my first year of decathlon, and I was a 4/8 guy prior to that, with zero experienc in hurdles, throws, pv (I did a little hj and lj in middle school so knew the ver basics).

RG3 is worlds faster than me, a similar size, and already a very good hurdler. I cant possibly imagine him failing to go over 6500 points in his first year if he was serious about it unless he is way less of an all around athlete than he appears.

Bet against him breaking 8000? Sure, reasonable. I bet if he put his mind to it, he could eventually do it, but it wouldnt be surprising either if he couldn't. But 6500 points should be easy for somebody with his speed and explosiveness.

Lets guess at some numbers for fun:

He ran 13.3 over the hs 110mh, so he should breeze a 14.5 over the highs even at the beginning of a comeback. (911 pts)

He split a 45 in hs in the 400, so call that a 48 in a decathlon while not yet in shape. (909 pts)

Combine 40y suggestd about 10.6 conservatively for the 100m, so call that a 10.8 in a dec as worst case. (906 pts)

He has a 10ft standing lj, so with horid technique he should pull off a 23ft lj based on speed. (816 pts)

39inch standing vert he should be able to sit over 6 ft in the hj (653pts)

Presume he as some aggressiveness in pv, he should be able to at least stick vault 11 ft within a few months just by throwing up his hand and jumping at the plant and swinging halfway up. (441 pts)

Jav assume he is really terrible and throws like 140 feet (481 pts)

Discus same assumption of bad technique as jav, assume 125 feet from a standing throw, this is seriously worst case for his size and explosiveness (626 pts)

Shotput worst case is about 40 ft with no technique for his size and speed (618 pts)

That takes him into the 1500m with 6364 pts. If he runs a ridiculous 5:30 1500m, he would end up with 6763 pts. This is pretty much worst case scenario where he competes in a decathlon with reasonable fitness but only a few months of preparation in the new-to-him skill events.

Whatley wrote:

[quote]Free_the_thigh wrote:

[quote]Les wrote:

Terry Bradshaw was a National caliber javelin thrower at La Tech.

Bradshaw was the national hs record holder in the javelin.

Whatley wrote:

What did the guy actually do? Ever hear of Preston Griffen, Carter Suggs, Frank Lombardi, Mel Clipper, Jerry White? All showd "potential" but.............................

RGIII had "potential" but never really showed anything that planted the see "future Olympian".

Conceded.

I'm just pointing out that anyone who gets to the U.S. Trials at 18 years of age has Olympic potential.

Jjvv wrote:

True, but the jav would be easy, it’s a similar motion to throwing a football.

One of my coaching friends once said that trying to throw a jav like a football often results in "taking your elbow home in a bag".

Using the same technique for the two is a great way of keeping ortho surgeons in new Bimmers and country club memberships.