Hardrock 100 leader DQ'd for receiving aid outside aid station

Hounddogharrier wrote:

That’s why they waited 40miles before the DQ to see if Browning was going to catch him, when it was clear he wouldn’t , they dropped the DQ.

No, that's not true. By the time Garland saw the picture and had an opportunity to talk with members of the run committee, Xavier was already beyond the Grouse aid station. The HR run committee was trying to find someone fluent in French to make sure the discussion with Xavier was clear. By the time that happened, he was even further along on the course and not accessible. The HR committee did not expect an aid station caption to DQ him, so they had to wait until the Cunningham aid station to have a face to face meeting with Xavier.

It's obvious based on your posts that you have issues with how Hardrock does things. Get over it. I think it's f*cking awesome that they reward those that have to given to the event for many, many years. These 'veterans' were around well before the trail/ultra running popularity sky rocketed. Kudos to them for sticking to their roots. If you don't like how they do things, create your own 'legit' ultra in the Rockies and quit whining about Hardrock.

The DQ sucks and maybe it wasn't the right call (I see both sides), but playing by the rules is on Xavier. If you're going to fly across the globe for an event, you're not going to bother to read up on the rules and expectations?! And, no, he was not suffering enough at that time to not be aware of what he was doing. Hell, he had to go out of his way to get to the car at that point. He had just seen them 2 miles before FFS.

There was another DQ as someone else pointed out. He wasn't a foreigner so enough with the conspiracy theories about his nationality having something to do with his being DQ'd.

The Hardrock haters are just using this as an excuse to bash the event.

You're confusing my arguments with others. I haven't made even half those arguments that you attribute to me.

What about Xavier mentioning, on record, that a lady was passing out sweets away from an aid station near mile 11.5? That was obviously out of the norm, breaking the rule and others were probably also taking the sweets. That surely set a tone.

Continuing the you are confusing my arguments with what other people said, just for the heck of it...

I don't know how Hardrock does other things (except kiss the rock, that I got from here). I don't know their rules for veterans, and never said anything about that. I have no interest in doing Hardrock, so I don't complain about how to hard it is to get in or how easy for some people, whatever the case is. I don't even race ultras (have finished one in my life). I didn't say that he must of forgotten the rules because of suffering. I know there was another DQ.

How is his nationality a conspiracy theory?

What do you think about my anecdote about my grandmothers, and how it shows how a person can read the same thing (or have it translated to them, as it might have been) and interpret it and the seriousness of it differently if they come from a different culture? Who translated the rules to him? How much English can he read? It's clear to me he had no clue about the seriousness of the rule, or if he even took note of it among

If you go race in a foreign country, say China, how are you going to get the rules translated for you? Will you make no mistakes as to customs and attitudes of locals toward different things?

Hardrock is basically a fata** run event, where they invite some elites here and there. all of sudden they decide to take a strict interpretation of their guidelines., which is fine. i think it just took everyone by surprise. 2 DQs this year, the first two in the history of the event, despite various stories of people getting car rides back to the course, chugging beers outside of aid stations, etc., again, whatever they want to do is fine, just a surprise to bring the hammer down all of a sudden.

Just read more of the accounts and JamJam was the one who suggested that the photographer of the incident should approach the RD. So, the whole thing could have been hush hush if JamJam just said something like, "it's only water dude".

So was Jamil filming this race? Did he have an interest in Browning winning, in order to make a better ending to his film? Interesting.

Bruh bruh wrote:

Just read more of the accounts and JamJam was the one who suggested that the photographer of the incident should approach the RD. So, the whole thing could have been hush hush if JamJam just said something like, "it's only water dude".

No kidding, and he was drinking beer in clear violation of the rules. I hope no one has a picture of that.

Yes. And it gets tons of press on irunfar because half the writers/founders are basically embedded with the hardrock decision makers, and surprise, surprise, one of them seems to somehow get picked every year in the closed door "lottery."

jamjam wrote:

Bruh bruh wrote:

Just read more of the accounts and JamJam was the one who suggested that the photographer of the incident should approach the RD. So, the whole thing could have been hush hush if JamJam just said something like, "it's only water dude".

No kidding, and he was drinking beer in clear violation of the rules. I hope no one has a picture of that.

Well the rules state that a runner "may" be DQ for taking aid away from an aid station. Not that they will. This is what irks me. The RD has the discression to lay a heavy hand or a warning and chose to approach the circle jerk and they diecided to keep it CO.

So Jam Jam is a bigger idiot than I thought if he told the guy to contact RD! What a little b***h!

Hardrock Haters??

Your glorifying both the event and the hype.

It's like the trendy bumper sticker Colorado Bro-Brahs stick on their Tacoma's:

"No one cares that you tele"

Well, also, "No one cares that you did Hardrock"

Bruh bruh wrote:

jamjam wrote:

No kidding, and he was drinking beer in clear violation of the rules. I hope no one has a picture of that.

Well the rules state that a runner "may" be DQ for taking aid away from an aid station. Not that they will. This is what irks me. The RD has the discression to lay a heavy hand or a warning and chose to approach the circle jerk and they diecided to keep it CO.

The rules also must say somewhere that if a runner that is not from the San Juan Mtns and has a lead of over two hours on the rest of the weak local field, then they should be DQ'd no matter that they are over 120 minutes ahead of the HardWalkers from Ouray and Telluride (or Logan Utah).

The rules must also state that the "Lotto" should be rigged to allow a way disproportionate amount of San Juan locals. (Of course, the rule doesn't clarify who is local because if they did, it would be revealed that actually none of the "locals" in question are not actually from the San Juans or Colorado for that matter. .....Actual Colorado locals would never try to justify such a BS DQ!!! )

By the way, The 24 hours of Moab is calling for the Hardrock........They too, would like to see the 90's come back.

Thanks for proving my point. Six pages into the thread you seem to care.

I think discussing the validity of the DQ is relevant, but so many of the posts are using the DQ to bash something else they don't like about the run.

buy a vowel wrote:

YouGotYourPatagoniaTruckerHat,Bro? wrote:

Hardrock Haters??

Your glorifying both the event and the hype.

It's like the trendy bumper sticker Colorado Bro-Brahs stick on their Tacoma's:

"No one cares that you tele"

Well, also, "No one cares that you did Hardrock"

Thanks for proving my point. Six pages into the thread you seem to care.

I think discussing the validity of the DQ is relevant, but so many of the posts are using the DQ to bash something else they don't like about the run.

Uhm, have you seen some of the threads that get attention here?

I would say that this has attention is because people love to jump on the cause of injustice.

In this case, a Frenchman who, with a two hour lead, was DQ'd for drinking water outside the aid station. A DQ for someone who travelled half the globe to compete (in a "run" not "race") and then lay waste to an obviously weak field by a margin of time equal to a full Marathon time, is, well, Buhlchit.

He made a mockery of the field, Hardrock made a mockery of its event.

Yeah, I can see this LRC thread going to at least 12 pages.

So?

Hardrock just made itself a joke.

You mean by DQing someone so the local guy wins? Why even bother to hold the race? Just give out the awards to pals at the start.

So why did they not find a reason to DQ Killian in recent years? He's certainly not a local kid. Plus, Browning is from UT, not CO. That's not local, BTW. A Spaniard (3-4x) and two Frenchmen have won the race in the past 8 years, but this year was just too much for the locals!

Keep trying.

buy a vowel wrote:

So why did they not find a reason to DQ Killian in recent years? He's certainly not a local kid. Plus, Browning is from UT, not CO. That's not local, BTW. A Spaniard (3-4x) and two Frenchmen have won the race in the past 8 years, but this year was just too much for the locals!

Keep trying.

Must've been too much.

Getting beaten by over two hours should be embarrassing to Browning to "win" but getting beat by over 2 hours.

DQing someone when they're two hours up on the field reflects more on Hardrock.

One question: Is this a race or a "run"?

Forest Service buys the ploy that it is a "run".

Hardrock has lame rules that basically says "have fun", kiss the rock" etc. ....Rules for a "run".

If it's a race, FS should treat it as one and Hardrock would tighten up their rules and perhaps ditch the lottery and get more talented depth. If that happened, then this DQ and the rules would have more relevance. As it is and as it played, this makes mockery of it all.