Hardrock 100 leader DQ'd for receiving aid outside aid station

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  • Jake77
    1 year ago 07/21/2018 11:23am CDT
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    https://www.facebook.com/hardrockhundred/posts/10155550228685404

    https://www.irunfar.com/2018/07/2018-hardrock-100-live-coverage.html

    Tough call by the RD, leader was in the lead by over an hour & probably could've walked in for the win. Leader was French & the RD disqualified him. Not sure if the race has time penalties. Rules are rules though. Sucks for Xavier Thévenard, he easily was winning the race. Hardrock actually call this is a run & not a race. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
  • hard times
    1 year ago 07/21/2018 11:28am CDT
    re: Jake77
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    Looks like from the tracker they didn't tell him until he got to mile 90. Now that sucks. There was really no reason for his crew to do it either, he was only a couple miles out of the aid station. They just saw him.

    I can tell you what, if this was Dakota Jones there would not be a DQ.
  • sorry not sorry
    1 year ago 07/21/2018 1:15pm CDT
    re: Jake77
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    Xavier broke a rule, admitted he broke it, and was disqualified for breaking said rule. That's how life works.

    His subsequent Facebook post complaining about it is pretty disappointing, as is all of his fans trying to excuse what he did (including trying to make it into an anti-French thing).
  • Rule Zero
    1 year ago 07/21/2018 1:50pm CDT
    re: Jake77
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    The blame really lays on his crew.

    They should have known better. A runner needs to be able to trust them to keep him on track and making good decisions.

    As for a time penalty, it could be of strategic value for race leaders to accept a penalty in exchange for additional aid. This is not the sort of practice a race organizer wants to encourage.

    He’s still an amazing athlete and I think no less of him for it.
  • Can you really cheat if it isnt a race?
    1 year ago 07/21/2018 3:32pm CDT
    re: Rule Zero
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    Hardrock getting blasted for letting him run another almost 50 miles and 11 hours before telling him he was dq!! Then they told him he could enter their revered lottery to try and get in next year!!

    "Winner" who would have gotten 2nd by a couple hours runs an extra 4 miles and still beats next runner!!

    That being said
    RULES ARE RULES!!!!!!!!!
  • TheOhioState
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    1 year ago 07/21/2018 4:25pm CDT
    re: Can you really cheat if it isnt a race?
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    If you receive 1/2 of an ice chip or a dram of water over 400 yards from an aid station at Hardrock, you are in violation and can be DQed.

    Way to police the sport, guys.
  • Don't get it
    1 year ago 07/21/2018 5:02pm CDT
    re: TheOhioState
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    I don't get why anyone would want to run this thing if they weren't from the area and or weren't on the bro level. The group is totally a circle jerk. They call themselves a "run" so they can get away with the event in the community and apease the park service then they do stuff like this as if it's a "race" and give outsiders the middle finger.
  • Scott Jurek was once good but not great.
    1 year ago 07/21/2018 5:04pm CDT
    re: TheOhioState
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    No really cares.
  • Track is dead to me......
    1 year ago 07/21/2018 6:47pm CDT
    re: Scott Jurek was once good but not great.
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    Scott Jurek was once good but not great. wrote:

    No really cares.


    You don't care but other people do.

    Your post should have been "I no really cares"
  • Gravy
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    1 year ago 07/21/2018 7:23pm CDT
    re: Jake77
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    Why would you need support in a 100 meter run? Unless this I'd 100 miles... in that case, walk on, bros!
  • Excluded from the circle jerk
    1 year ago 07/21/2018 7:49pm CDT
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    https://twitter.com/jlivi2/status/1020820295551049729?s=20
  • zzzz
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    1 year ago 07/21/2018 9:03pm CDT
    re: Excluded from the circle jerk
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    That ruined the race for me in terms of interest in the results. The rules are rules no matter what thing is just lame. They ruined the race, er "run".

    If something is inconsequential and not meant to be cheating, discretion should be used. Kind of like how the highway patrol doesn't pull over everyone going 1mph over the speed limit.
  • Dufas
    1 year ago 07/21/2018 9:46pm CDT
    re: zzzz
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    Did someone snitch on him or did a race official see it? Seems anti-common sense to disqualify him over a little ice.
  • Htoo0
    1 year ago 07/21/2018 10:13pm CDT
    re: Dufas
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    I love to follow (and run) ultras but this was a real snoozefest. With so few runners, there wasnt much of a competition on either the mens or womens side.

    Just remember Xavier Thevenard reached 85 miles 3 hours and 12 minutes faster than anybody else in the "run".
  • don't apologize
    1 year ago 07/21/2018 10:24pm CDT
    re: Jake77
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    Jake77 wrote:

    https://www.facebook.com/hardrockhundred/posts/10155550228685404



    The decision was "regrettably made"? Why do they regret their own decision?

    You made the right call. Grow a spine and stop apologizing.
  • Hounddogharrier
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    1 year ago 07/21/2018 10:24pm CDT
    re: Dufas
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    You can be sure if he was one of the locals there would be no dq. How stupid , you can’t be given water in a 100 mile race ??? They waited 55 miles because they thought their guy would pass him . When it was Clear he wouldnt they dq ‘ed him .
  • conspiracy crazies
    1 year ago 07/22/2018 1:17am CDT
    re: Hounddogharrier
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    the conspiracy theories are ridiculous. They had to DQ him because someone photographed him (common around ultra races), and happened to catch him receiving aid. If he wasn't DQ'ed then the evidence would have ended up online, and they would get blasted for making an exception for an elite runner.
  • zzzz
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    1 year ago 07/22/2018 9:31am CDT
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    conspiracy crazies wrote:

    the conspiracy theories are ridiculous. They had to DQ him because someone photographed him (common around ultra races), and happened to catch him receiving aid. If he wasn't DQ'ed then the evidence would have ended up online, and they would get blasted for making an exception for an elite runner.


    See the comments of this from 2015. Someone in the irunfar comments mentioned that they saw it on video, though I don't see it in this one. No DQ.

    https://youtu.be/YcvNTVdM92w
  • DrityXL
    1 year ago 07/22/2018 10:39am CDT
    re: zzzz
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    Yeah, f-those guys for enforcing what few rules they have.
    C'est sans conteste une parodie de justice!
  • John Utah
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    1 year ago 07/22/2018 11:02am CDT
    re: Rule Zero
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    Rule Zero wrote:

    The blame really lays on his crew.

    They should have known better. A runner needs to be able to trust them to keep him on track and making good decisions.

    As for a time penalty, it could be of strategic value for race leaders to accept a penalty in exchange for additional aid. This is not the sort of practice a race organizer wants to encourage.

    He’s still an amazing athlete and I think no less of him for it.


    Right, blame the friends and family out there in the middle of nowhere working hard and not sleeping for zero compensation in support of their buddy running through the woods. Likely many of them sacrificed vacation days at work to do this (travel days, etc). Blame them?