have got to be some of the dumbest people (unless they're very rich). the ONLY possible exception is if your state lacks good public universities (the dakotas, delaware, some southern states, etc).
but lol just lol at some middle class new jersey family sending their precious child to the University of Wisconsin for $48,000 / year when Rutgers is right down the road for less than 1/2 the cost.
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New Jersey needs to create a better public school if they want people to stay in state. There were a ton of NJ kids at Penn State. They were all pretty adamant that Rutgers was the last school on earth they wanted to end up at.
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Rutgers is a bad school, Wisconsin is at least decent. Michigan, Berkeley, UCLA, and UVA are great schools. You start off so much higher on the ladder in NYC/SF/LA/Chicago if you have the right background, and those schools give it to you. A Rutgers degree and degrees from other schools in that tier is merely a check that you have the personal wherewithal to stomach four years of postsecondary education.
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kyoto = pleb wrote:
Rutgers is a bad school, Wisconsin is at least decent. Michigan, Berkeley, UCLA, and UVA are great schools. You start off so much higher on the ladder in NYC/SF/LA/Chicago if you have the right background, and those schools give it to you. A Rutgers degree and degrees from other schools in that tier is merely a check that you have the personal wherewithal to stomach four years of postsecondary education.
I'd wager Wisconsin is at least on the same level as UCLA and Michigan. At least it was went I went to school.
UVA and Berkeley are a cut above the rest of the publics. -
kyoto wrote:
UVA and Berkeley are a cut above the rest of the publics.
I'd put Cornell on the same tier. -
kyoto wrote:
kyoto = pleb wrote:
Rutgers is a bad school, Wisconsin is at least decent. Michigan, Berkeley, UCLA, and UVA are great schools. You start off so much higher on the ladder in NYC/SF/LA/Chicago if you have the right background, and those schools give it to you. A Rutgers degree and degrees from other schools in that tier is merely a check that you have the personal wherewithal to stomach four years of postsecondary education.
I'd wager Wisconsin is at least on the same level as UCLA and Michigan. At least it was went I went to school.
UVA and Berkeley are a cut above the rest of the publics.
Wrong on both. Wisconsin is more in line with the William & Mary's and Texas's of the world. Berkeley and Michigan are the top public schools, but UCLA and UVA are great too. That's definitely the top four, with UNC kind of right behind that. -
Public Ivy wrote:
kyoto wrote:
UVA and Berkeley are a cut above the rest of the publics.
I'd put Cornell on the same tier.
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The initial question is one that has always been of interest to me. A kid from NJ goes to Penn State. A kid from Nebraska goes to Minnesota. A kid from Michigan goes to Iowa. A kid from Georgia goes to Alabama. It happens frequently and kids just don't seem to think about the fact that they are paying double.
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My kid was a Shipman Scholar at Michigan. Out of state. Huge discount off tuition as well as stipends for other expenses and first choice of housing and classes. It would have been foolish to turn down.
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That is the exception. What about the thousands of kids who do it just to get away from home?
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Predictor wrote:
The initial question is one that has always been of interest to me. A kid from NJ goes to Penn State. A kid from Nebraska goes to Minnesota. A kid from Michigan goes to Iowa. A kid from Georgia goes to Alabama. It happens frequently and kids just don't seem to think about the fact that they are paying double.
Of course the kids don't think about paying double. They're kids. They've never had to earn a living or manage a household budget. So $15K a year for school or $30K a year for school - whatever, it's all the same to them.
That's when parents need to be parents. Take the kid aside and explain how much extra it's going to cost, and how student debt can cripple their lives as young adults. How debt takes away freedom and limits their choices. Of course, parents don't do this. They enable their little angels, no matter how unwise their choices may be. -
lol @ rutgers wrote:
New Jersey needs to create a better public school if they want people to stay in state. There were a ton of NJ kids at Penn State. They were all pretty adamant that Rutgers was the last school on earth they wanted to end up at.
Penn State isn't much better. -
naht correct wrote:
kyoto wrote:
kyoto = pleb wrote:
Rutgers is a bad school, Wisconsin is at least decent. Michigan, Berkeley, UCLA, and UVA are great schools. You start off so much higher on the ladder in NYC/SF/LA/Chicago if you have the right background, and those schools give it to you. A Rutgers degree and degrees from other schools in that tier is merely a check that you have the personal wherewithal to stomach four years of postsecondary education.
I'd wager Wisconsin is at least on the same level as UCLA and Michigan. At least it was went I went to school.
UVA and Berkeley are a cut above the rest of the publics.
Wrong on both. Wisconsin is more in line with the William & Mary's and Texas's of the world. Berkeley and Michigan are the top public schools, but UCLA and UVA are great too. That's definitely the top four, with UNC kind of right behind that.
Wisconsin = William and Mary?
Michigan = UCLA and UVA?
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It strikes me that what in state students are paying at an institution is not particularly relevant in the decision making process for out of state students.
Ultimately, each student is evaluating what they are going to get out of college compared to what it will cost them. When you look at it that way, whether a school is public or private is not directly relevant either. Ultimately, a student will consider their desired course of study, the size of institution that they think will be best for them, the lifestyle that they will live at the school in question, future job prospects, the ability to make connections that may be useful later in life and some other factors on the one hand, and then weigh that against the monetary cost of attending the school (including the impact of scholarships, etc.), the ability to come home from school, the culture shock that might be associated with moving to a new region, and some other factors on the other.
Your status as an in-state v. out-of-state student really only matters to the extent it influences a factor that is directly valued by the student.
I attended the University of North Carolina for law school despite being an out of state student. I knew that I ultimately wanted to live in a warmer environment, I wanted to go to a well respected school (Carolina was in the top 25 at the time, and was better regarded than just about any public New York law schools), and at $14,000 per year in tuition, it was still not that expensive, even though my in-state classmates were paying about a quarter of that. -
For many California residents, UCLA will cost you more than just about any other public school in the western United States. But I guess it's right down the street, so we should be going there.
Ignorant OP is ignorant. -
kyoto wrote:
have got to be some of the dumbest people (unless they're very rich). the ONLY possible exception is if your state lacks good public universities (the dakotas, delaware, some southern states, etc).
but lol just lol at some middle class new jersey family sending their precious child to the University of Wisconsin for $48,000 / year when Rutgers is right down the road for less than 1/2 the cost.
What if none of the public schools in my state offer the major I want and have a respectable track team?
How about living off campus, getting in-state residency and only paying for two years worth of out-of-state vs. four years?
How about neighboring states that have tuition exchange programs? https://www.nasfaa.org/State_Regional_Tuition_Exchanges
I think you’re picking one instance and might be missing the big picture. -
UVA, W&M, and VA-Tech all now have special semi-autonomous status with the State of Virginia government. They are "flagship" schools that can set essentially their own admission and financial status just like private schools. An older article but one that describes what is happening: https://psmag.com/education/breaking-away-several-top-public-universities-going-private-68007
That said, we have a ton of reasonably priced state schools in Virginia (JMU, VCU, GMU, ODU and many more) and so we can afford to make these distinctions. -
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lol @ rutgers wrote:
New Jersey needs to create a better public school if they want people to stay in state. There were a ton of NJ kids at Penn State. They were all pretty adamant that Rutgers was the last school on earth they wanted to end up at.
Penn State isn't much better.
I'm under no illusion that Penn State is a top tier university, but it is certainly better than Rutgers by a wide enough margin that the vast majority of people would choose PSU if given the choice between the two. I've lived in PA for 30 years. I don't know a single Pennsylvania native who decided to go to Rutgers for college. NJ natives who choose to go to Penn State are a dime a dozen. -
I am one of the few who seems to agree with the OP. I checked the stats on the sites of several Power 5 state schools. Out of state enrollment is around 25%. It doesn't appear to matter if it is a top ranked school or a low ranked school. So there are always 10,000 students willing to pay out of state tuition just so they can tell their HS friends that they are attending Adjoining State U instead of attending In-State U. Of course there are a few exceptions as have been pointed out in this thread, but most kids are just used to doing what they want without considering the cost.
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Wouldn't it also be true that parents who send kids to a 4 year public school are stupid for not saving money by getting the required undergrad work done at a local community college? Then transfer after 2 years to get a university "name" on your degree? Two years higher tuition for the same credits.
