1500m WR is now 20 years old!

Yes, the pacemaker dropped out 100 meters away from being one of the fastest humans ever.

Coevett wrote:

Crammy's lasted for 30 years until Willis broke it on the Monaco track (by 1/100th of a second).

Is Cram's record the longest lasting in athletics?

Your trolling gets more obvious, and boring, every day. Give it a break.

Fact: that record from the Wild West 80s, which lasted a couple of weeks, has been surpassed over 70 times...

I think he got his epo out of Italy.....

GOAT... on the floor after race, not like steroid Coe and Cram

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6jrqsbD3Pc&t=289s

El G was dirty and that needs no explanation here. Noah Ngeny was dirty on EPO (1000mWR with only a 1:44 800m PR). Coe and Mac Daddy have run within 1 sec of that 1000m WR time, but, both have 1:42 or faster 800m PRs. EPO gives you superhuman endurance. Lagat and Kiprop were on EPO, as both have TESTED positive. Lagat didn't retire like El G and Ngeny, because he is smart and switched countries to continue his running career without EPO. This is further evidence by the fact Lagat was already an American citizen in 2004, but completing for Kenya (who doesn't allow dual-citizenship); while America is neither for or against dual-citizenship. Geb, Komen, and Bekele all were taking EPO too. Bekele made the switch to CERN once a reliable EPO test was invented. El G regardless could NOT get the 5000m or up World Records, as all world records holders are on drugs too! After having written that, I think that El G is the best (doped runner) of all time. The 1500m is run with far more regularity than ANY distance event. Better than the 3k, better than the 5k, most certainly better than the 10k or the 21k. I am not going to compare it to the marathon, which is entirely completely different metabolic event. I will say that once FG-4592 side effects get worked out, than all distance events (i.e 200m and up) will be broken. El G's world records have about 5 years or so of life left.

Coevett wrote:

vivalarepublica wrote:

You are never funny. Africans are faster than your white heros, doped or not. Deal with it.

Hahaha, you are hilarious. You really don't care if your African heroes doped or not, do you? I guess you think it's justified as a form of payback for African slavery or some such.

The difference between you and me is that I make judgments about you based on your garbage posts. You're making assumptions about me based on your racist beliefs. Go away, troll.

Noah da great wrote: And he left out the fact that the pacemaker was no one other than Noah Ngeny. Second fastest miler ever and Olympic gold medalist.

The real question is: why was Noah Ngeny pacing a WR attempt? Maybe that's a factor in the lack of fast times nowadays. If Kiprop were paced by Kiplagat for instance, we may have seen this record fall.

It will probably stand for another 20

The only guy that was clean during the Coe, Cram, and Ovett years was Ovett.

I thought that was universally known?

Like A Rocket wrote:

Bekele made the switch to CERN

To work there as a physicist? Already during his running career? Not bad.

ex-runner wrote:

It will probably stand for another 20

Unless someone can genuine sneak by the testers and dope without risk of being caught, it'll stand forever.

jlkj wrote:

The only guy that was clean during the Coe, Cram, and Ovett years was Ovett.

I thought that was universally known?

That’s absolutely rubbish, and Ovett would be the first to tell you so.

vivalarepublica wrote:

Coevett wrote:

Hahaha, you are hilarious. You really don't care if your African heroes doped or not, do you? I guess you think it's justified as a form of payback for African slavery or some such.

The difference between you and me is that I make judgments about you based on your garbage posts. You're making assumptions about me based on your racist beliefs. Go away, troll.

No, I'm making judgements on you based on your similarity to the predictable behaviour of millions of other SJWs, as well as 'chips on both shoulders' Afro-Carribeans.

casual obsever wrote:

Coevett wrote:

Crammy's lasted for 30 years until Willis broke it on the Monaco track (by 1/100th of a second).

Is Cram's record the longest lasting in athletics?

Your trolling gets more obvious, and boring, every day. Give it a break.

Fact: that record from the Wild West 80s, which lasted a couple of weeks, has been surpassed over 70 times...

Oh yeah, no African could get near it for years (apart from Chaouita) until EPO came around, but that only proves that Africans have superior genetics to 'wrong physiology' whites like Cram.

Coevett wrote:

casual obsever wrote:

Your trolling gets more obvious, and boring, every day. Give it a break.

Fact: that record from the Wild West 80s, which lasted a couple of weeks, has been surpassed over 70 times...

Oh yeah, no African could get near it for years (apart from Chaouita) until EPO came around, but that only proves that Africans have superior genetics to 'wrong physiology' whites like Cram.

There’s nothing “wrong” about it. Evolution doesn’t care about human games and ideas. The African advantage is the result of balanced randomness.

jlkj wrote:

The only guy that was clean during the Coe, Cram, and Ovett years was Ovett.

I thought that was universally known?

There's no way that Ovett, being the competitor he was, would have been silent if he had the slightest suspicion of Coe or Cram being on peds. Simlarly, none of the top guys from that era such as Walker, Scott and so on, have ever once slipped any suggestion that they suspected anybody else of doping.

The closest I can think of is Peter Snell casting some shade on Aouita in an interview I came across recently, although obviously Snell was from an earlier era.

Natural selection doesn’t play favorites wrote:

Coevett wrote:

Oh yeah, no African could get near it for years (apart from Chaouita) until EPO came around, but that only proves that Africans have superior genetics to 'wrong physiology' whites like Cram.

There’s nothing “wrong” about it. Evolution doesn’t care about human games and ideas. The African advantage is the result of balanced randomness.

The 'African advantage' is the result of EPO use. The phrase 'wrong physiology for running' comes from El K and other SJW racists here.

Coevett wrote:

Natural selection doesn’t play favorites wrote:

There’s nothing “wrong” about it. Evolution doesn’t care about human games and ideas. The African advantage is the result of balanced randomness.

The 'African advantage' is the result of EPO use. The phrase 'wrong physiology for running' comes from El K and other SJW racists here.

If that were true, wouldn’t you expect to see distance dominance from all countries where doping with impunity is enabled? Furthermore, you’d expect to see even worse from countries like Russia that had state-sponsored programs. Where are all the Russian world-beaters?

The fact that Kiprop also ran 3:26, looked set to run faster, and wasn't necessarily full throttle with the EPO, and when microdosing last winter got popped having been unable to crack 3:34 the season before, shows what difference EPO likely makes.

El G was the best doper, sure, nobody can argue with that because he still holds the EPO WR for 1500. Was even that simply good fortune? His career almost spans exactly the era. He might have been doped silly with EPO since puberty or even before. He retired at 30 just when the tests were about to be introduced, and he wouldn't have gotten any faster anyway. I'm pretty sure EPO wouldn't have been the only thing he would have been taken either. (recall the braces he had to wear in Sydney at age 29). The Moroccan 'elite training group' at the time was surely at least on the level of the supposed Russian doping program, if not the Soviet Union/East German level. In any case, the Moroccans were spending a fortune in turning out elite distance runners in the 90s.

He had Ngeny and two other elite Kenyans, almost certainly doped up themselves, to drag him around to 3;26. Ngeny never fulfilled his doped up potential, which was likely greater than El Gs.