Billie Jean King and many Olympic stars call on IAAF to withdraw its Caster Semenya testosterone rule

Deanouk wrote:

+1.

100% agree. I doubt these sports stars would be quite so generous if they were an elite female 800m runner who had spent the last decade training to win medals at championships!

I'm a guy, and I think most of the other posters here are guys. I feel it's patently unfair for Semenya to compete against biological women. But do women actually feel this way?

Very few elite runners have spoken out against Semenya, so maybe women would just prefer to run their competitions a different way? I mean, I'm fine with that. As a man, I'm more interested in men's sports, and if women want to run their competitions in a way that I think is silly, who am I to say they can't?

Illogical rojo wrote: The fact of the matter is in the year 2018 what makes someone a woman is open for debate. It appears that most enlightened and most passionate on the subject have deteremined that if you feel like a woman, you are a woman no matter your sexual organs. I think that is fine.

But in terms of sports, the reality is ...

So your argument is that "sports" are somehow different from the rest of culture?!

Talk about strange centering...

How does Trump feel about this issue?

I think it is hard for women to speak out without sounding like they just don't want to lose to Semenya. If there could be a secret ballot among 100% female 800 runners, I'm guessing the majority would vote in favor of a level playing field and no testo-laden women.

Reflection of society wrote:

Illogical rojo wrote: The fact of the matter is in the year 2018 what makes someone a woman is open for debate. It appears that most enlightened and most passionate on the subject have deteremined that if you feel like a woman, you are a woman no matter your sexual organs. I think that is fine.

But in terms of sports, the reality is ...

So your argument is that "sports" are somehow different from the rest of culture?!

Sports, like everything else, must be considered in their innate capacity for the promotion of the proletariat revolution.

If we don't allow people who feel like women, to compete as women, where will the role models be?

The Ancients (Greeks + Romans) already understood the mentality of the public (lumpen) in feeding the sociological need for athletic superiority. This is a natural extension, as promoted in the modern 20th century (Coubertin).

slowerthanu wrote:

I think it is hard for women to speak out without sounding like they just don't want to lose to Semenya. If there could be a secret ballot among 100% female 800 runners, I'm guessing the majority would vote in favor of a level playing field and no testo-laden women.

Perhaps. But is it men's job to enforce this? Either women don't really want what we consider a level playing field, in which case why are we pushing it, or they do want it, and in that case it should be up to strong 21st century women to make it happen.

This is so f*cking obvious. Gay Billie and the lame assed 40+ year old match against ancient Bobby Riggs is her claim to fame, so she has to champion any dumb assed cause where you can mention the word "female." She has no legitimacy and if she had competed against Trans John McEnroe, she would have been crying foul.

Note- previous post was deleted, assuming because it was too funny or in poor taste?

New try-

Bobby Riggs has jumped out of grave and has contacted Billie Jean King to a rematch not of tennis, but of Pickle Ball. The match will decide once and for all the question of male and female dominance in this new craze sweeping the Senior Living retirement hot spots. Tentative title for match is "Pickle or Fickle."

M.A.G.A...

Trump2020OP-the real one... wrote:

Note- previous post was deleted, assuming because it was too funny or in poor taste?

New try-

Bobby Riggs has jumped out of grave and has contacted Billie Jean King to a rematch not of tennis, but of Pickle Ball. The match will decide once and for all the question of male and female dominance in this new craze sweeping the Senior Living retirement hot spots. Tentative title for match is "Pickle or Fickle."

M.A.G.A...

Most in the know claim that Riggs owed alot of money and threw that match to clear his bad debts. If Serena couldn't make the men's top 300, King couldn't make the men's top 2000.

I have a certain amount of respect for Billie Jean King as is warranted, but it does lead me to believe she knows anything at all about the women's 800 nor that she cares about Ajee Wilson, Eunice Sum, Lynsey Sharp, etc.

Almost as bad as TUEs wrote:

the Paralympics (think of all the categories they have), - you have to have rules for who and who isn't allowed to compete in that category. I find it amazing that so many Paralympians have signed this document as they know the importance of strict eligiblity rules for their sports.

Paralympics classifications are ripe with fraud, on all ends.

Yes.

And they have discriminated against those very athletes as well, refusing some to compete in events like the marathon.

I Was Going To wrote:

I have a certain amount of respect for Billie Jean King as is warranted, but it does lead me to believe she knows anything at all about the women's 800 nor that she cares about Ajee Wilson, Eunice Sum, Lynsey Sharp, etc.

They must boycott. Line up for the race but walk off at the starting gun.

Amp Runner wrote:

And they have discriminated against those very athletes as well, refusing some to compete in events like the marathon.

There's always the para-marathon.

Just as along as everyone can cheat in the same way as these entrants to the female field, or the Paralympians as said, I don't see what the problem is. Already so much cheating by PEDs, we might as well give up the whole "human" angle too.

slowerthanu wrote:

I think it is hard for women to speak out without sounding like they just don't want to lose to Semenya. If there could be a secret ballot among 100% female 800 runners, I'm guessing the majority would vote in favor of a level playing field and no testo-laden women.

Wrong, they don't speak out because the twitter mob would be all over them. That's why they don't protest. Whole thing is stupid especially the biological males competing in the women's category now.

Look at the last election. Silent majority.

Beware the twitter mob wrote:

slowerthanu wrote:

I think it is hard for women to speak out without sounding like they just don't want to lose to Semenya. If there could be a secret ballot among 100% female 800 runners, I'm guessing the majority would vote in favor of a level playing field and no testo-laden women.

Wrong, they don't speak out because the twitter mob would be all over them. That's why they don't protest. Whole thing is stupid especially the biological males competing in the women's category now.

Look at the last election. Silent majority.

Great reference of a racist campaign slogan...but really the silent majority in any question is just the people who don't care that much either way or who aren't very engaged.

Do you care a ton about women's sports? Why don't we let women take the lead to protect the sanctity of their competition, and if they don't want to, well, they'll get what they ask for, good or bad.

signed by many level headed, honest, stable people like Suzy Favor Hamilton.

Realize that Caster Semenya is only competing because a former East German doping coach recognized the situation quickly and soon enough there was a 1:55 and a world championship, all in the same debut season. That coach knew where there was an advantage--he'd spent his career in the Soviet Bloc helping athletes raise their testosterone and now he had a natural one.

Legalize this and you'll have all Casters in the finals of every women's event, comprised largely, I am sure, of African athletes whose condition and gender were not reassigned one way or the other at birth, just as in the "women's" 800m, after Caster was allowed to compete without hormone restrictions, immediately there popped up a host of others, Niyonsaba, Ajok, and Wambui, all in the same event. The CT "transgender" 100m runners are a different issue, though one fraught with far more potential, because men with no testosterone deficiencies comprise close to half the population and you only need a few here and there to dominate all women's sports.

What kind of silent majority decided the last election? The kind that loses the popular vote?