Bad day all around, Cain looked out of her element from the start. Hope she can bounce back and have a decent career but I'd imagine this was a big step backwards. Who is coaching her these days? I'm assuming there were some workouts/time trials that indicated she was fit enough to race at this level, otherwise this is just inexcusable.
Is she done forever, rojo? Seems more likely with each passing month without a good result (or any result).
rojo wrote:
hart crane wrote:
WHO is bib #17???
Sorry buddy, she's spoken for. Genevieve LaCaze.
Actually, rojo, it was Jessica O'Connell of Canada.
SlipperyPete13 wrote:
Bad day all around, Cain looked out of her element from the start. Hope she can bounce back and have a decent career but I'd imagine this was a big step backwards. Who is coaching her these days? I'm assuming there were some workouts/time trials that indicated she was fit enough to race at this level, otherwise this is just inexcusable.
she hasn't raced in 2 years. of course she's out of her element, Donny
rojo wrote:
An astute observer could tell before the race started she wasn't in the same shape as the other women.
This. Big disappointment. I wasn’t expecting a miracle, but I thought she’d at least finish the race.
Okay, I'll ask again. How could astute observers determine this before the race? Obviously she's lining up against women who have actually competed in the past two years, but are you telling us that you could tell just by looking at her that she was out of her depth? And if so, then how? What did you see?
DevinChaulk wrote:
rojo wrote:
An astute observer could tell before the race started she wasn't in the same shape as the other women.
This. Big disappointment. I wasn’t expecting a miracle, but I thought she’d at least finish the race.
She wasn't representing NOP anymore either. Just regular Nike kit.
Er... wrote:
Okay, I'll ask again. How could astute observers determine this before the race? Obviously she's lining up against women who have actually competed in the past two years, but are you telling us that you could tell just by looking at her that she was out of her depth? And if so, then how? What did you see?
DevinChaulk wrote:
This. Big disappointment. I wasn’t expecting a miracle, but I thought she’d at least finish the race.
You're baiting someone into saying she isn't as thin as she was before, or as thin as the other girls.
Perhaps not in race shape =
https://www.instagram.com/p/BktSTS9HaRh/?hl=en&taken-by=runmarycain
Er... wrote:
How's that?
rojo wrote:
An astute observer could tell before the race started she wasn't in the same shape as the other women.
She wasn’t nearly as lean as the rest of the field. I know everybody has a different optimal race weight, and I hope this thread doesn’t devolve into fat shaming, but Cain looked out of place before the race even began.
Okay, I apologize and I take back my question. I wasn't thinking and was not trying to start that discussion/debate.
Is anyone else super curious about what would have happened to Cain in the NCAA? Similar to hasay? Even hasays “poor” performance during / after college is miles ahead of this. I suspect a psychological issue underlying this and am suspicious of al sals role in her decline.....
Er... wrote:
How's that?
rojo wrote:
An astute observer could tell before the race started she wasn't in the same shape as the other women.
Did you see the race? I'm usually skeptical of the "eye test," but in this case I agree with Rojo. In the few shots of her before the race, she just didn't look to be in the same shape as everyone else. It wasn't even close.
I said this the day she went Pro and I'll say it again. She will never run any thing significant.
Maybe it's possible but not for her in the path she took. The line of progress is never straight up but when you put that amount of pressure on yourself and every time you race expect to compete highly and win, it makes it hard to get through the rough patches. If she had gone to college she could have gotten through that with less eyes on her and less pressure on herself. She'd have a bad race but place highly. Ages 16-22 lots of things are going on with Females(but males too) so to try to always be at your absolute best it's tough.
The point of going Pro had to be to make teams, how many Olympic or World Champ teams has Cain or Efraimson made? 1?
They should have gone to college, they would both be running better if they went to college. Their careers wouldn't be over if they had went to college.
DevinChaulk wrote:
Er... wrote:
How's that?
She wasn’t nearly as lean as the rest of the field. I know everybody has a different optimal race weight, and I hope this thread doesn’t devolve into fat shaming, but Cain looked out of place before the race even began.
Agreed she's not as lean, but I wouldn't have ruled her out for that. Heck, Yuki Kawauchi has 10%+ body fat.
Indoor? wrote:
I said this the day she went Pro and I'll say it again. She will never run any thing significant.
Maybe it's possible but not for her in the path she took. The line of progress is never straight up but when you put that amount of pressure on yourself and every time you race expect to compete highly and win, it makes it hard to get through the rough patches. If she had gone to college she could have gotten through that with less eyes on her and less pressure on herself. She'd have a bad race but place highly. Ages 16-22 lots of things are going on with Females(but males too) so to try to always be at your absolute best it's tough.
The point of going Pro had to be to make teams, how many Olympic or World Champ teams has Cain or Efraimson made? 1?
They should have gone to college, they would both be running better if they went to college. Their careers wouldn't be over if they had went to college.
I wouldn't be that pessimistic. She just came back after a 2 years hiatus, so it's pretty normal she misjudged her form and as someone pointed out, she has some weight to lose. Give her some time.
Er... wrote:
Okay, I apologize and I take back my question. I wasn't thinking and was not trying to start that discussion/debate.
Post of the day. Kudos for owning up. And to the rest of the folks who replied in a way that kept things cool.
Er... wrote:
Okay, I'll ask again. How could astute observers determine this before the race? Obviously she's lining up against women who have actually competed in the past two years, but are you telling us that you could tell just by looking at her that she was out of her depth? And if so, then how? What did you see?
DevinChaulk wrote:
This. Big disappointment. I wasn’t expecting a miracle, but I thought she’d at least finish the race.
Because she was chubby. Sorry you needed it spelled out.
George213 wrote:
Indoor? wrote:
I said this the day she went Pro and I'll say it again. She will never run any thing significant.
Maybe it's possible but not for her in the path she took. The line of progress is never straight up but when you put that amount of pressure on yourself and every time you race expect to compete highly and win, it makes it hard to get through the rough patches. If she had gone to college she could have gotten through that with less eyes on her and less pressure on herself. She'd have a bad race but place highly. Ages 16-22 lots of things are going on with Females(but males too) so to try to always be at your absolute best it's tough.
The point of going Pro had to be to make teams, how many Olympic or World Champ teams has Cain or Efraimson made? 1?
They should have gone to college, they would both be running better if they went to college. Their careers wouldn't be over if they had went to college.
I wouldn't be that pessimistic. She just came back after a 2 years hiatus, so it's pretty normal she misjudged her form and as someone pointed out, she has some weight to lose. Give her some time.
I'd love to and we all will. But where is the path to being on teams? Who can she ever beat? While she's missing time and having bad races other women are running amazing. A mistake was made and it cost her what might have been a great career. Yes this was 1 race, but it's been a LONG time and for someone who was skeptical of her continued success when she was actually running well, I have a hard time seeing a path for this to turn around.
magacain wrote:
Is she done forever, rojo? Seems more likely with each passing month without a good result (or any result).
Had been interesting to see what the new magical coach JS could do for her.
RIP: D3 All-American Frank Csorba - who ran 13:56 in March - dead
RENATO can you talk about the preparation of Emile Cairess 2:06
Running for Bowerman Track Club used to be cool now its embarrassing
Hats off to my dad. He just ran a 1:42 Half Marathon and turns 75 in 2 months!
Great interview with Steve Cram - says Jakob has no chance of WRs this year
Rest in Peace Adrian Lehmann - 2:11 Swiss marathoner. Dies of heart attack.