Top UK pros claim Lauir Muir was allowed to enter 800 at UK champs after deadline, Muir wins race

Boo hoo. Sharp complained, because Muir broke the rules. I want to cry to my mommie.

Neuter Fingerich wrote:

As a Vet, Muir has unlimited access to testicles.

Rules don't matter for people like her and Semenya, and the people who support them.

I noticed that too wrote:

Rules don't matter for people like her and Semenya, and the people who support them.

Huh??? Correct me if I'm wrong, but Semenya is following the rules. The argument in her case is what the rules should be.

Am I missing something?

Mind over matter,

Even if she had mentally prepared for Muir in this race and had a completely different race plan it still doesn't matter because she finished in 5th place, so her argument has no merit. If she came in 2nd or 3rd place she may have been able to effectively argue her case but she came in 5th. There were three other women in front of you that may or may not have known that Muir has entered in the race but they came ready to compete so STFU!!!

Here is an idea for Ms. Sharp and the rest of the 800m field: be ready to race any competition and be prepared to beat them. Check out the viewpoint that Ajee Wilson takes to her unfair competition in the event and learn from that.

vivalarepublica wrote:

be ready to race any competition and be prepared to beat them.

Even if they break the rules?

Here's a scenario your pea-brain may understand.

Let's say you are running a championship race, and you need to be in the stadium call area 45 minutes before start time. Maybe that's not ideal for your warm up (some of those call areas are tiny), so you warm up a bit early, or have to rush to go through things when they let you out on the track. Meanwhile, some other guy is warming up on the competition track while you are crammed in the call area with 10 other athletes. Fair?

milermb wrote:

Strange things were happening all weekend. In the mens 200 heats Adam Gemmili clearly false started. Disqualification was announced only for this to be overturned and the red card replaced by a yellow. Clear favouritism to a "big name".

I feel sorry for the meet officials who made the correct decision only to have this overturned by, pretty obviously, someone high up in UK Athletics.

Haha that one was pretty obvious, everyone in the crowd started booing when Gemili was announced as a DQ. Then 2 minutes later they just announce it's overturned and the crowd starts cheering. They showed the replay on the big screen and he twitches very heavily to the point of almost leaving the blocks and then trying to settle back into them.

Very obviously a crowd pleasing decision and one to make the selectors have less of a headache.

Gemili was scared in the final though, 0.266 reaction haha. Slower than an average person off the street.

This Muir business is different. Just because nobody told Sharp Muir is running does not mean she didn't intend to run. As I said earlier, I'd be gobsmacked if Muir didn't reply to the invitation entering the 800, 1500 and 5000m. There's no reason she wouldn't.

It's then up to the athlete to sign into the event they are going to run on the weekend, like any meeting. The race entries are not confirmed until you collect your numbers.

dummies out in full force today wrote:

vivalarepublica wrote:

be ready to race any competition and be prepared to beat them.

Even if they break the rules?

Here's a scenario your pea-brain may understand.

Let's say you are running a championship race, and you need to be in the stadium call area 45 minutes before start time. Maybe that's not ideal for your warm up (some of those call areas are tiny), so you warm up a bit early, or have to rush to go through things when they let you out on the track. Meanwhile, some other guy is warming up on the competition track while you are crammed in the call area with 10 other athletes. Fair?

Totally different scenario. They didn't give Muir a head start.

In fact, Muir gave them a head start.

shpeshal wrote:

The most ridiculous bit about Sharp's whingeing is the idea that somehow it affected her preparation, that's to say that had she known Muir was running, she'd have prepared differently?

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but anyone's preparation for their National Championships involves turning up on the day in the best shape possible, as simple as that.

OK, I'll correct you. Because you're wrong.

Do you think Evan Jager prepares for USATF the same way he prepares for Worlds or Olympics? Of course not, because nobody else in the US can come near 8:00 and nobody is running a 55-second last lap over barriers.

Do you think Centrowitz prepared for USATF the same way he prepared for global competitions. Of course not, because crap US milers don't have the ability to break 3:30, let alone close fast in a quick race.

Even slow guys like you approach their local Turkey Trot races differently if they are running against 17:00+ masters or the local college team enters a bunch of 14-15-minute guys.

Sharp could very reasonably hope to kick to a top-3 position and get selected in worlds. She is on the level with anyone else in the field, until Muir steps in.

People who don't get this are people who have never really competed for anything.

Laura Muir is from the UK (it was the UK champs)

Laura Muir entered inside the deadline

Laura Muir won

Muir the best runner in the UK, if you're Lynsey Sharp and you race the 800m without Laura Muir in it, you have to understand that whoever won the race probably would have lost to Muir.

ex-runner wrote:

Rules include rules for the meet wrote:

Pretty sure they do!

Idiot.

I think you'll find that many top competitors don't care who is in their race.

I think you'll find that whether or not competitors "care", the rules still apply. Single foot-faults on the bend in a 200, time violations in high jump, and yes, ENTERING YOUR RACE BEFORE THE STATED DEADLINE.

ex-runner wrote:

dummies out in full force today wrote:

Even if they break the rules?

Here's a scenario your pea-brain may understand.

Let's say you are running a championship race, and you need to be in the stadium call area 45 minutes before start time. Maybe that's not ideal for your warm up (some of those call areas are tiny), so you warm up a bit early, or have to rush to go through things when they let you out on the track. Meanwhile, some other guy is warming up on the competition track while you are crammed in the call area with 10 other athletes. Fair?

Totally different scenario. They didn't give Muir a head start.

In fact, Muir gave them a head start.

Nobody is talking about head starts, moran.

The issue is the rules and requirements being applied to some athletes and not others.

round and round wrote:

Laura Muir is from the UK (it was the UK champs)

Laura Muir entered inside the deadline

Laura Muir won

Hey, two out of three is pretty good!

Great standard to aim for.

rules include rules for the meet wrote:

I think you'll find that whether or not competitors "care", the rules still apply. Single foot-faults on the bend in a 200, time violations in high jump, and yes, ENTERING YOUR RACE BEFORE THE STATED DEADLINE.

We here in the UK don't care about rules so much. Especially not when we're talking about people like Muir, Semenya and myself. All the whiners and complainers make me laugh. And I don't care about women that much.

Russian hacker knowledge wrote:

. It also sent the Guardian a copy of an Excel spreadsheet showing Muir had entered both the 800m and 1500m at 6.06pm on 24 June

And of course it is litterally impossible to modify an Excel spreadsheet copy timestamps.....

They're British

Rules are rules wrote:

ex-runner wrote:

if Muir wasn't there then Sharp still won't have gone. Muir's in fine form and will probably win.

the rules are far more flexible in the UK, it's not like the US trials at all.

As usual you're making spurious arguments, that have nothing to do with the issue.

Whether Sharp even ran had nothing to do with whether Muir broke the rules.

Which she obviously did, and you apparently admit - while saying the rules don't matter.

For Muir anyway.

But then you're the first one to say that they matter for Sharp.

Not biased much at all, are you, huh.

Oh if you only want us to talk about whether Muir broke the rules or not, she certainly did not. UKA might have broken their own rules, but Muir did nothing but ask to be entered into the race, presumably.

Do I think UKA broke their own rules? Maybe. Very difficult to tell. Was there a lack of communication between the race organisers and the athletes, certainly. But that's really nothing new in British Athletics.

Do I think that Muir running or not running mattered with regards to selection? No. If Muir stated she wants to run the 800m in the Euros without competing in Birmingham she would have been selected. That I'm certain of.

So the best person won. They are simply fighting about deadlines in an attempt to undo her win. That's all this amounts to.

Well that wasn't right. wrote:

deja vu all over again wrote:

Interesting to hear this from Sharp. There was quite a bit of controversy over her selection for the Olympic team in 2012. She won the trials, and got Silver at the European Championships, but didn't have the A standard. She was picked ahead of four other women who had the A standard. Because Sharp didn't have the A standard, none of the others got to go under IOC rules, which said you could only have one entry if that entry didn't have the A standard.

I don't agree with that choice, but it was done by selectors, not by her.

They need to have better policies, and to stick by their guidelines.

In this case, the rules were clear, and apparently violated.

Selectors don't do anything this dramatic without lobbying

Following from that previous post, it may well be that Muir expressed desire late on to do the 800/1500 double because the 1500/5k double in Berlin is not possible.

UKA may well have entered her in the Birmingham race to actually avoid controversy.

That seems like the scenario that fits best with UKA. Lol.