Top UK pros claim Lauir Muir was allowed to enter 800 at UK champs after deadline, Muir wins race

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  • We are the peepul!
    1 year ago 07/01/2018 1:23pm CDT
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    Seeing a few tweets about some controversy around Laura Muir at uk champs. What happened?

    Noticed Lindsay sharp chiming in which made me think again about how Scotland’s fastest couple (butchart and sharp) obviously don’t get on with Muir. Any back story to that?

    #letsgossip.com

    [i] Editor's note: Many women claimed Muir was put in to the meet even though she did enter the meet before the entry deadline.

    From The Guardian, Lynsey Sharp: “Games have been played all week by individuals and also by our governing body, which is meant to be unbiased,” she said, adding she had found out that Muir was in the 800m only when the start list was updated on Friday night.

    UK Athletics insisted no officials had broken any rules. It also sent the Guardian a copy of an Excel spreadsheet showing Muir had entered both the 800m and 1500m at 6.06pm on 24 June – inside the deadline by under six hours. “No athlete entered in the women’s 800m has been granted late entry or showed favouritism in any manner in the lead-up to this weekend’s championships,” a spokesperson said.

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/jul/01/lynsey-sharp-accuses-uk-athletics-bending-rules-laura-muir

    Note: We change the title of the thread to make it more descriptive. It was initially called, "Laura Muir uk champs"
  • UK Runner
    1 year ago 07/01/2018 1:46pm CDT
    re: We are the peepul!
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    We are the peepul! wrote:

    Seeing a few tweets about some controversy around Laura Muir at uk champs. What happened?

    Noticed Lindsay sharp chiming in which made me think again about how Scotland’s fastest couple (butchart and sharp) obviously don’t get on with Muir. Any back story to that?

    #letsgossip.com


    What were the tweets suggesting?

    Why the DNS for Charlotte Taylor?
  • rojo
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    1 year ago 07/01/2018 2:42pm CDT
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    This article has more info and may be better:

    More from Sharp: “You can call me bitter but I play by the rules and I came here prepared based on what I knew the field was going to be and that was different on Saturday morning.

    “Throughout the whole week we prepare for what we know our competitors are going to be. To throw something else in the mix overnight is playing a game. It wasn’t fair.”

    It sounds like Muir may have entered on time but for some reason he name wasn't showing up online until the night before the race.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/athletics/2018/07/01/british-championships-embroiled-favouritism-controversy-laura/
  • Russian hacker knowledge
    1 year ago 07/01/2018 2:51pm CDT
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    . It also sent the Guardian a copy of an Excel spreadsheet showing Muir had entered both the 800m and 1500m at 6.06pm on 24 June


    And of course it is litterally impossible to modify an Excel spreadsheet copy timestamps.....
  • SaRchOOoo
    1 year ago 07/01/2018 2:53pm CDT
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    Sharp has the classic British disease... whining when confronted with world-class opposition which in this case happens to mean her own compatriot. It's very clear that the deadlines are being respected and the authorities - for once - are doing the right thing with transparency by releasing the ONTIME ENTRY LIST for the 800.

    To Sharpe: woman up...and run. Run better and let your running do the talking. You evidently fear Muir but there's no reason to whine about the start lists. Gotta beat all who are legitimately entered and Muir was entered.

    I don't remember her father (Cameron Sharp) bleating like this when he was on the receiving end of one of the many Allan Wells whippings....
  • Bigote
    1 year ago 07/01/2018 2:54pm CDT
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    I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that there were any "top tier U.K. pros", excepting Muir. Sharp and Butchart need a bit less talking, and a bit more running.
    PS- Shave that horrid mustache. You look like the guy that hangs out at the skating rink and drives a brown van.
  • Not exactly real trans-parentcy
    1 year ago 07/01/2018 2:57pm CDT
    re: SaRchOOoo
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    It's very clear that the deadlines are being respected and the authorities - for once - are doing the right thing with transparency by releasing the ONTIME ENTRY LIST for the 800.


    This is the thing. Most of ppl are First-Level Thinkers, who can't imagine the list being Faked afterwards (ex post facto). And talk as if such a document is "proof" of something.

    But conmen and ne'er-do-wells will regularly take advantage of such assumptions.
  • rojo
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    1 year ago 07/01/2018 3:00pm CDT
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    From the Daily Mail:

    "A formal protest was issued shortly before Sunday's final to the track referee at the Alexander Stadium by former European indoor champion Matt Yates, who coaches Muir's 800m rival Revee Walcott-Nolan."

    "In a separate email to the referee, seen by Sportsmail, Yates made the extraordinary claim that British Athletics official Ian Hodge had admitted to him in a telephone call on Friday that Muir had in fact missed the deadline and only entered for the 800m and 1500m on Friday evening."

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-5906649/It-wasnt-fair-British-Athletics-row-Laura-Muirs-800m-entry.html
  • ex-runner
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    1 year ago 07/01/2018 3:00pm CDT
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    Before even reading the article or clicking on the thread the name Lyndsey Sharp sprung to mind. I saw her today walking off looking stroppy. She's always the first to complain when it's 'not fair'.

    Some rubbish about preparing all week for the competitors entered and Muir's entry ruined her plan?! Nonsense! She's just upset because she cannot beat Muir with any tactics which exist.
  • Hodge is likely right
    1 year ago 07/01/2018 3:03pm CDT
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    "In a separate email to the referee, seen by Sportsmail, Yates made the claim that British Athletics official Ian Hodge had admitted to him in a telephone call on Friday that Muir had in fact missed the deadline and only entered for the 800m and 1500m on Friday evening."


    Exactly. Confirming the "ex post facto" (or is it "post mortem") switch-e-roo of the entry list, to accommodate Ms. Muir. Shows how easily so-called "investigators" (LRC) were fooled by the Excel time-stamp.
  • coachcommentsnicely
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    1 year ago 07/01/2018 3:08pm CDT
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    Butcharts a punk. Shouldn't give him or his girlfriend and attention. Neither will do anything special in their careers.
  • ex-runner
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    1 year ago 07/01/2018 3:13pm CDT
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    As a British fan I'm very pleased Muir was entered in the 800 because the 15/5k double isn't possible in Berlin but the 800/1500 is. Muir has a very good chance of winning both. Sharp has a very good chance of not making the final in one. Yate's athlete Walcott-Nolan also had no chance.

    For those that didn't see the race, Muir chilled at the back for 400m, moved through to take the lead in 62.2 then she continued enjoying the slow pace up to 500m where she promptly put 5m+ on the field and closed with a 42/43 last 300m.

    2:01.2, 62.2 then 59.0

    Sharp 5th, Walcott-Nolan 6th.
  • Go, Laura!
    1 year ago 07/01/2018 3:31pm CDT
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    We are the peepul! wrote:...

    Noticed Lindsay sharp chiming in which made me think again about how Scotland’s fastest couple (butchart and sharp) obviously don’t get on with Muir. Any back story to that?


    Don't worry about it. There's no-one that Sharp does get on with.
  • I know it seems harsh but
    1 year ago 07/01/2018 3:36pm CDT
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    How many world class 800, 1500 or 5000 runners do y'all know of that have a double chin?

    UK Athletics: Home to the greatest stockpile of moon-face causing corticoids in the world.
  • rojo
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    1 year ago 07/01/2018 3:52pm CDT
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    Can someone explain to me how often the online entries are updated? If she was entered on time, why didn't it show up online?

    Even if she did enter on time, it sounds like a screwup by UK Athletics. It drives me nuts that fans of the sport have no idea who is running a race often until right when it takes place. Normally at least at championships, you know ahead of time. I can see why others would be supicious.

    Imagine if this was the US and a big, big name like Rupp. The conspiracy theorists would be going crazy.
  • Poor sport
    1 year ago 07/01/2018 3:59pm CDT
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    adding she had found out that Muir was in the 800m only when the start list was updated on Friday night.


    Quit whining. You are lucky you got any "heads-up" at all. British/UK Athletics has no responsibility to tells you who the competitors are.
  • Consumer brand representative
    1 year ago 07/01/2018 3:59pm CDT
    re: Hodge is likely right
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    Hodge is likely right wrote:

    "In a separate email to the referee, seen by Sportsmail, Yates made the claim that British Athletics official Ian Hodge had admitted to him in a telephone call on Friday that Muir had in fact missed the deadline and only entered for the 800m and 1500m on Friday evening."


    Exactly. Confirming the "ex post facto" (or is it "post mortem") switch-e-roo of the entry list, to accommodate Ms. Muir. Shows how easily so-called "investigators" (LRC) were fooled by the Excel time-stamp.


    British Athletics has no authority anyway.

    UK Athletics is the National Governing Body for athletics. UKA is the Member Federation of the IAAF responsible for athletics in the United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland (as defined in UKA Rule book).

    British Athletics is the consumer brand of the governing body “UK Athletics”.

    British Athletics is the sport; we represent the people, the athletes, the fans, and the team.
  • Things might have changed
    1 year ago 07/01/2018 4:03pm CDT
    re: rojo
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    I haven’t raced in a British Outdoor Champs for 5+ years so things may very well have changed but all the ones I previously competed in you accepted your invitation via email so it wouldn’t update the list in real-time. Instead, whoever received the email would, I guess, manually update the invite list with the status of the athlete (invited, accepted, declined etc.). It would make more sense in the modern world for them to have an online portal that updates the status in real-time but that wasn’t the case when I was competing.
  • Brit Babies
    1 year ago 07/01/2018 4:07pm CDT
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    Bunch of pampered British babies. Why complain publicly about the best Brit runner, Laura Muir. All it will do is cause trouble down the road. Brit press is hard on runners.
  • Gold medal in whining
    1 year ago 07/01/2018 4:08pm CDT
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    Sharp is always complaining about something. Her 800m career has been dead since the Olympics. Time to start auditioning for ‘celebrity’ Big Brother.