Caster Semenya has just destroyed her lifetime PB, without any rabbits. 1:54.25!!

A guy runs 1:54 and its awe inspiring?

Come on son.

ex-runner wrote:

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

Actually, thanks to drugs & ladyboys we can't tell what it is the equivalent of. The point is the person I know can't get past the heats/semis to get into faster races where she can improve to 1:58 or even 1:57.

Really not a valid point by any stretch of the imagination.

Drug use across the men's and women's sports can be assumed to be equal.

Caster isn't stopping her.

Actually it was either RJM or Clerk that posted either East German or Soviet analysis that anabolic steroids had a significantly greater enhancement on female performances than male equivalent events for the simple fact men already have testosterone.

As for Semenya not depriving her, incorrect, this person at a championship missed out on time by one spot and both Caster and Wambui were completing. If we go back to say 1970 the male WR was Snell's 1:44.3 on grass (probably 1:43 on synthetic tracks) while the female record was 2:00.5. Now this probably wasn't the best a female could do then but nonetheless females have improved 7s while men less than 2.5s, all during a dirty period.

llort_vbo wrote:

3 red herrings wrote:

No one has EVER bashed them for the way they were born.

However they fully deserve to be bashed for competing in women's events.

You must not be paying attention or you're new here. Remember Maria Mutola? People say terrible things about intersex athletes all the time as well as any women that appear somewhat masculine. Try out Serena Williams or any number of LPGA players. Britney Griner, etc.

Serena Williams gave birth last year. She is not intersexed.

"as well as any women that appear somewhat masculine"

Avocado's Number wrote:

ex-runner wrote:

Totally sensible to have a conversation about whether Semenya should or shouldn't be allowed to compete in the women's category in this sport.

However it's entirely unnecessary, childish and petty to insist on referring to her as a 'him'.

I agree with these comments.

I think that thoughtful people tend to find these regulatory issues difficult. I know I do.

Agreed. Semenya's dilemma is a hell of a lot more tolerable than allowing boys to compete against girls just because of a personal fetish that makes them "identify" with being a girl.

This is an impressive performance, but why would an 800 need a pacer? Besides maybe drafting, fast times are totally possible without. It's not like she solo'ed a 10k WR.

Luxury800 wrote:

Hardloper wrote:

Sorry, there was nothing great or "unreal" about this race, you use that word a little too loosely.

Her sandbagging every race is why I can't be a fan no matter what the CAS decides...

Caster has been sandbagging for years. Just does enough to win. The women’s 800 has been a joke since Caster showed up. CAS is spineless trying to be PC but we are talking about an unfair advantage that is allowing CS to take money from competitors whose testosterone is not elevated. No womb, undistended testicles is code for male. Grandstanding, flexing, brushing off the shoulders then running to hug competitors is rude and condescending as well.

Caster didn’t even go all out in this race. The whole situation is a disgrace. Caster identifies as a male in every aspect of caster’s life choices except running. Once Caster’s running career is over you will never see Caster again dressed as anything but a man and identifing as a man. Being a dickless male accurately discribes what Caster is doing to the sport. Caster should be ashamed, but likely is a sociopath. Taking advantage to make money in a way that anyone with self respect and morals would refuse to do.

This totally demonstrated the sandbagging, running 1:54 with no pacers, whether on purpose or by mistake. Probably a few more seconds in the tank, at least.

same deal as the Czech lady that has the original WR of 1:53 set in 1983 -a guy in women's clothing....

I actually hope she breaks the world record... there's no way she has more test than Jarmila Kratochvílová did. This, of course, is just my opinion, based on physical appearance.

Subway Surfers wrote:

ex-runner wrote:

Really not a valid point by any stretch of the imagination.

Drug use across the men's and women's sports can be assumed to be equal.

Caster isn't stopping her.

Actually it was either RJM or Clerk that posted either East German or Soviet analysis that anabolic steroids had a significantly greater enhancement on female performances than male equivalent events for the simple fact men already have testosterone.

As for Semenya not depriving her, incorrect, this person at a championship missed out on time by one spot and both Caster and Wambui were completing. If we go back to say 1970 the male WR was Snell's 1:44.3 on grass (probably 1:43 on synthetic tracks) while the female record was 2:00.5. Now this probably wasn't the best a female could do then but nonetheless females have improved 7s while men less than 2.5s, all during a dirty period.

The point you're trying to prove goes against all available evidence. Women's sport in general lags far behind men's sport, the women's 800m was banned until 1960. Clearly not a fair comparison to include the Snell period.

Again, 10 women ran under 2:00 in the Paris DL and 9 of them ran under 1:59.4.

4 were under 1:58. I don't understand why you are ignoring this fact. For you to think 2:00 is a super elite time simply means you don't watch the sport much.

A girl won a BMC race in 1:59 this year out front by herself. It's not anything like 1:44.

1:54 is a time not possible for most women, it's like 1:40 for men. But 1:57 is like 1:43 and 2:00 is 1:46.

Is your point literally that all women under 2:00 are dopers but your club mate isn't and your club mate should therefore be in the finals at major events? If she ran 1:58 she wouldn't be missing out by any spots.

I think you're getting away from the point, Semenya, Wambui and maybe Niyonsaba shouldn't be competing in women's events in the first place. Their spots in Diamond league races should be filled by actual females. Times will be slower but fairer. I also stated, "Now this probably wasn't the best a female could do." The reason I used 1970 was it predates a lot of the cold war era doping which blurs truthful measurement of time. I challenge you to find an actual female that is regularly tested for modern drugs, that isn't a man, hasn't failed a drug test, that has run faster than 1:57. There's not many.

Caster Semenya is obviously a super gifted runner - that's what you expect for a runner capable of running world-record times. Is her hyperandrigenism part of it? Possibly, probably yes. Who cares. Be honest, the difference between her talent and the talent of someone else ridiculously gifted like Usein Bolt or Katie Ledecky is that Semenya challenges your gender norms.

Elite athletics is about ultimate human performance. Caster Semenya is the greatest female mid distance runner of our time. Get over it, snowflakes.

paul72 wrote:

same deal as the Czech lady that has the original WR of 1:53 set in 1983 -a guy in women's clothing....

Semenya doesn't even wear the female's kit...she is literally running in the mens' kit lol

One more time: Disgusting.

It gets worse with every new exploit.

id love to see her run sub 1.52,and even sub 3.50,before she is forced to retire.i believe if she ran full pelt,she'd be capeable.im pretty sure shes capeable of a sub 49 in the 400,given that i saw her win a 400 and looked like she was jogging.

Querfeldein wrote:

Caster Semenya is obviously a super gifted runner - that's what you expect for a runner capable of running world-record times. Is her hyperandrigenism part of it? Possibly, probably yes. Who cares. Be honest, the difference between her talent and the talent of someone else ridiculously gifted like Usein Bolt or Katie Ledecky is that Semenya challenges your gender norms.

Elite athletics is about ultimate human performance. Caster Semenya is the greatest female mid distance runner of our time. Get over it, snowflakes.

"Gender norms"? This has nothing to do with gender norms, and everything to do with the fact her testosterone levels are that of a male's, it has internal testicles and no uterus...it is not a woman. It is an intersex athlete competing against females which is the real issue here.

This x 10,000 wrote:

Caster identifies as a male in every aspect of caster’s life choices except running. Once Caster’s running career is over you will never see Caster again dressed as anything but a man and identifing as a man. Being a dickless male accurately discribes what Caster is doing to the sport. Caster should be ashamed, but likely is a sociopath. Taking advantage to make money in a way that anyone with self respect and morals would refuse to do.

Come on, be more explicit. You mean, because of the way she likes to dress, that doesn't conform to your stereotypes? Because she has the guts to speak up for herself, whereas a women should know where her place is? Or maybe you mean, because she is married to another woman? Maybe you'd rather like to ban all other gay and lesbian athletes, too?

Posts like the one I quoted are incredibly revealing. All the talk about "fair competition" and the "integrity of the sport" are just a fig leaf for bigotry.