Caster Semenya has just destroyed her lifetime PB, without any rabbits. 1:54.25!!

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

ex-runner wrote:

Ok, but 1:59/2:00 is not a time that deserves to win anything. That is about 1:46 for a male.

Actually, thanks to drugs & ladyboys we can't tell what it is the equivalent of. The point is the person I know can't get past the heats/semis to get into faster races where she can improve to 1:58 or even 1:57.

Really not a valid point by any stretch of the imagination.

Drug use across the men's and women's sports can be assumed to be equal.

I'm sorry the person you know is struggling to run faster than 1:59/2:00 but there are plenty of 1:46 male runners in the same position. It's called sport. Not everyone is the best. Plenty female girls have run 1:57.

Your 2:00 club member is not struggling to make finals because of 2/3 athletes in Africa. She would struggle to make a European or US final and certainly wouldn't win anything if 1:59/2:00 is her best.

What's more, the other day Sharp entered the Men's BMC race like she has done many times before and ran 2:00. Women always have an opportunity to get into fast races with men, ask Paula.

If the athlete you are thinking of was good enough to run 1:57 and mix it with the top talent in the world then she simply would. Caster isn't stopping her.

ex-runner wrote:

it's entirely unnecessary, childish and petty to insist on referring to her as a 'him'. Not sure what kind of superiority complex one must have to go around deciding the genders of other humans. This has nothing to do with sport.

Anyone who goes around calling a wolf a chicken is an idiot.

And anyone who calls people childish for calling a wolf a chicken is a moron.

A wolf is NOT a chicken, and likewise a male is a HIM, not a her.

Considering the race today, removing Caster and the rest of the 11 finishers ran under 2:00.5, with 9 running 1:59.35 or faster and 4 under 1:58. Lots of names on that list whom most will never have heard of, because 2:00 is not a super elite time that gives you a right to win anything.

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ex-runner wrote:

I'm sorry the person you know is struggling to run faster than 1:59/2:00 but there are plenty of 1:46 male runners in the same position. It's called sport. Not everyone is the best.

You're a very sick person, deriding a top level female, and while sticking up for males in women's events.

rojo wrote:

What a race. What a performance. And hopefully this will prove to meet directors there is no need to have rabbit after rabbit. Unreal!!

One race by one athlete who is way superior to the field isn't proof of your premise.

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

Scorpion_runner wrote:

This is a got damn joke. She finally stopped sandbagging, and this is her way of saying fock the IAAF for the new rule change.

She is going to run some crazy times just to be spiteful.

I'm sick of this crap. Go run with the Men or get out of the sport.

+1 ?

Next q. Should Ajee's PRs be voided? Due to pacing/rabbit usage?

Enough this battering and belittling the real women.

To all real women, I admire you for sticking with your efforts through this trying time, and wish that I could support you more proactively.

Moron Alert` wrote:

ex-runner wrote:

it's entirely unnecessary, childish and petty to insist on referring to her as a 'him'. Not sure what kind of superiority complex one must have to go around deciding the genders of other humans. This has nothing to do with sport.

Anyone who goes around calling a wolf a chicken is an idiot.

And anyone who calls people childish for calling a wolf a chicken is a moron.

A wolf is NOT a chicken, and likewise a male is a HIM, not a her.

Not sure why I'm replying to this level of brainlessness but what do you define as 'male'?

Semenya isn't dressing up as a woman, she was born with a vagina. Without a doubt Semenya blurs the lines between male and female and to suggest she is just a man is both scientifically incorrect and simply a deliberate insult.

Not sure why the mods here tolerate it. It's removes the ability to have sensible discussion about this topic on this site and reduces any potential good ideas to schoolyard name calling.

ex-runner wrote:

Not sure why the mods here tolerate [me]

Mods, this guy keeps attacking the real women. Please put a stop to him doing this.

Thank you.

Misplaced priorities wrote:

ex-runner wrote:

I'm sorry the person you know is struggling to run faster than 1:59/2:00 but there are plenty of 1:46 male runners in the same position. It's called sport. Not everyone is the best.

You're a very sick person, deriding a top level female, and while sticking up for males in women's events.

I'll put it simply here for you because everyone on this site is so binarially simple it does my head in.

I do not think that Semenya should compete in the sport as she is right now. Something must change.

However, I do not think that a 1:59/2:00 runner should be entitled to win anything of note. Please take a look at the results today and see how 10/11 ran quicker than 1:59.3.

How anyone can't understand those two ideas are not mutually exclusive baffles me.

Stop attacking women wrote:

ex-runner wrote:

Not sure why the mods here tolerate [me]

Mods, this guy keeps attacking the real women. Please put a stop to him doing this.

Thank you.

You're a fool. Not everyone is the best. 2:00 is an average time. Top girls run 1:56/1:57.

ex-runner wrote:

I do not think that a 1:59/2:00 runner should be entitled to win anything of note.

Note that you're talking about women, and for your information there are major differences between women and men.

1;54 is good for a high school boy, but far from being competitive nationally.

Whereas sub 2:00 is national class for a woman.

ex-runner wrote:

Moron Alert` wrote:

Anyone who goes around calling a wolf a chicken is an idiot.

And anyone who calls people childish for calling a wolf a chicken is a moron.

A wolf is NOT a chicken, and likewise a male is a HIM, not a her.

Not sure why I'm replying to this level of brainlessness but what do you define as 'male'?

Semenya isn't dressing up as a woman, she was born with a vagina. Without a doubt Semenya blurs the lines between male and female and to suggest she is just a man is both scientifically incorrect and simply a deliberate insult.

Not sure why the mods here tolerate it. It's removes the ability to have sensible discussion about this topic on this site and reduces any potential good ideas to schoolyard name calling.

In reality, the outward genitalia isn't actually a good indicator of whether someone is male or female in a physiological sense, particularly in cases like Semenya.

It's simply an easier operation when people are born with ambiguous genitalia, which is pretty common in certain areas of the world where inbreeding is rife.

The idea that Semenya identifies as female is also a bit far fetched.

You are being incredibly disrespectful to the elite women currently running 1:57 times by stating that these 2:00 girls should be held to the same regard. Today, 5 girls ran 1:58 flat or faster not including Semenya.

1:57 is like 1:43 and 2:00 is like 1:46 for men. Nobody states that 1:46 also rans should be beating the top guys. It's idiotic.

Hardloper wrote:

rojo wrote:

What a race. What a performance. And hopefully this will prove to meet directors there is no need to have rabbit after rabbit. Unreal!!

I had her unofficially in like 26.6 for 200, 56.12 FAT at 500 and then 1:25.37.

She finally did what we've all wanted to see her do - go for it. And she did it without a rabbit.

Sorry, there was nothing great or "unreal" about this race, you use that word a little too loosely.

Her sandbagging every race is why I can't be a fan no matter what the CAS decides...

Caster has been sandbagging for years. Just does enough to win. The women’s 800 has been a joke since Caster showed up. CAS is spineless trying to be PC but we are talking about an unfair advantage that is allowing CS to take money from competitors whose testosterone is not elevated. No womb, undistended testicles is code for male. Grandstanding, flexing, brushing off the shoulders then running to hug competitors is rude and condescending as well.

Physiologically, based on the hearsay to hand, Semenya is intersex. A real, scientifically accepted status for an individual. She is neither male, not female. She has neither phenotypically male not female sex organs (including internally), would be unable to reproduce by any means, along with other determining biological characteristics one cannot examine from watching the TV.

With regards to gender, that does not depend on a physiological category and so Semenya has always lived as a girl and wishes to be called her. It takes a grade A arse to insist on referring to someone as a man when they've publicly asked everyone not to, and it does no harm to you to respect their wishes.

I wonder how many posters here would stand behind their online words in real life if faced with someone transgender or intersex? How many are going to insist on using the alternate pronouns in front of the person deliberately. Not many I figure, which makes them cowardly, which perhaps is my biggest gripe with this behaviour on this site.

ex-runner wrote:

Totally sensible to have a conversation about whether Semenya should or shouldn't be allowed to compete in the women's category in this sport.

However it's entirely unnecessary, childish and petty to insist on referring to her as a 'him'.

I agree with these comments.

I think that thoughtful people tend to find these regulatory issues difficult. I know I do.

What you are hearing is the sound of one hand clapping.

It's hard to get over the irony of her last name, but it's also hard reading a lot of the comments here. I hope she sets a new WR and throws up the double middle fingers as she crosses the line. I'd be absolutely livid if I were her and someone was telling me I had to do drugs, the consequences of which are not fully understood, just so I can run a few laps around a track.