Mizzou head coach Brett Halter in racism allegation

it's like saying 'if those dozens of witnesses against Bill Cosby are lying, then shame on them'

just seems odd stance to take when there are multiple people making the same allegations.

maybe we should take the allegations seriously and jump straight to shaming the alleged victims.

shame on you.

Well if we are being technical. As a former sprint athlete, Both Kareem and Carjay benefitted from athletes that Derrick Peterson brought in, and a similar divide happened when he was force to give up the sprint group and then was “constructively discharged “,and we the athletes got no answers, Now if Coach DP told his side of this story. You would see a pattern.

Yes, there was a dust up. Who coached that athlete???? CarJay. Was he an all american again? Yes. Did he get any faster under coach CarJay? No. Why would the mom confront Brett Halter? Could have it been CarJay? How would you react if you were being verbally attacked by a parent at the biggest meet of the year in the stands?

Now I ask yourself this, how do you think Nick Saban might react to having a parent come down at the end of winning a big game yelling at him about how her baby wasn't get the ball enough?

Now if that doesn't make a lot of sense to you because it is football lets keep it in track and field. How do you think Grant Holloway would have responded? Remember when him and Pat Henry went toe to toe?

Mute point and more proof of CarJay's issues.

If the rest of your post is as acurate as your first statement ;

"Part of this happened because Kaiser-Brown was brought in and she was a much better coach plus given more responsibility. "

I took the time to check the much better coach results and Jesus C, their best female 400 cant break a minute, their fastest men not breaking 11 seconds in the 100. Missouri sprints results shockingly poor , this has to be the worst SEC sprints coach performance of the century!!!!most mid major programs can have their way with Missouri. What a joke

hardtospeakthetruth wrote:

....more proof of CarJay's issues.

lol, proof? Was there anything at all about Carjay in your ramble except where you awkwardly interjected it? (Could it have been CarJay?!?? hmmm etc.)

So far, the worst allegation I've seen leveled against Carjay is that he allegedly listened to rap.

Athletes that were there prior to Lyles--Markesh Woodson, Tony Carodine, and Jonathan Ilori. Woodson was a 6.60/10.11w performer under KST and a 6.58/10.05/20.85 performer under Lyles. Carodine jumped 15.70m with KST and 16.26m with Lyles. Ilori jumped 15.57mW with KST and 16.10mW with Lyles. Those are all acceptable improvements.

Lyles brought in Farquharson, Thames, Felton, and Jackson on the women's side. That's the lion's share of 4x100m and 4x400m NCAA teams. Farquharson and Thames were individual NCAA-types (Jackson probably close to the level too). He brought in Montgomery and Warren on the men's side, they are both truly elite in their events (and LEFT when Lyles left). I'm not gonna sit here and say he was a saint, because he probably wasn't. I've no clue what it was like in the office while he was there. I'm an outside observer. Every track coach has issues, Lyles had a nationally relevant sprints squad on limited scholarships at Missouri. That's pretty much never happened with American kids. The Tennessee situation has nothing to do with what happened at Missouri; maybe he left on his own. Maybe he got let go because they realized he wanted the head job (and he went there, so he probably did). Maybe he butt heads with a coach and they realized it wouldn't work and cut ties early.

Kaiser-Brown has done nothing with the program since she took over. I don't think that's on her, I think they've severely hamstrung her with scholarships. It's gotta be pretty much distance and throws at this point. And this is a primary issue with the way Halter has run the program--there's no identity and no consistency in approach. What kind of team do you want to build? It's been 8 years! That's two entire generations of athletes. They've maybe once finished top half of their league and are consistently bottom two. If he's been derogatory toward his coaches, that's an immediately fireable offense. But he should be fired anyway because of how bad they've been. There's no "initiating a better culture" after 8 years.

As far as Burns "initiating a better culture" among the distance men, Joe Lynn had a nationally ranked XC squad, a 13:43 performer (who wasn't on that XC squad), and a 1:46 guy. Burns recruited the Kenyans on the roster who didn't perform. He recruited the Brits on the roster who have just been OK. He recruited the 8:43 kid from St. Louis who hasn't performed yet. I'll give him some rope because he did coach Schweizer, Cunningham, and Kempfer (but didn't recruit any of them) to some great performances, and he seems like a good guy and has a track record of success elsewhere. But the clock is ticking now that Schweizer is gone. He has more talent than Lynn had on both sides. He needs to do something with it and stop blaming culture for the problems. Culture is his job, you can't just sit around and wait on it.

Mizzou sprints hasn't been good for decades, since the 1980s. The sprints at that time was driven by a group of Nigerian athletes. Since then outside of Coach Brown and Woodson elite sprinters have been hard to come by for Mizzou. Part of this was based on the reputation of the previous head coach who had the reputation of being a racist. This led to Mizzou being shunned by the black community in the St. Louis area. Also, it's important to mention that all states have local coaches and athletes who "hate" on their flagship school.

dplikedp wrote:

Mizzou sprints hasn't been good for decades, since the 1980s. The sprints at that time was driven by a group of Nigerian athletes. Since then outside of Coach Brown and Woodson elite sprinters have been hard to come by for Mizzou. Part of this was based on the reputation of the previous head coach who had the reputation of being a racist. This led to Mizzou being shunned by the black community in the St. Louis area. Also, it's important to mention that all states have local coaches and athletes who "hate" on their flagship school.

This nails it on the head. It's why I was so surprised to see the success Lyles had in 2016 with Carodine, Warren, Woodson, and Montgomery on the men's side, and Thames, Farquharson, and Jackson on the women's side. No, they were not setting the NCAA on fire, but that was phenomenal progress. KST did great for the program while he was there, but he did leave for greener pastures. I think had Lyles stuck around they might have been able to get into St. Louis (and even had a chance at Quincy Hall out of KC if they could get the grades right).

derp wrote:

[quote]NCC wrote:

Just seems very very weird that your first reaction is "Well if they turn out to be lying, shame on them."

Is that your normal reaction to other cases in the news?

If that had been my first reaction in either of my two previous post, you would have a point. Since I first made statements about the coach potentially being at fault in both of those post, not sure what you are getting at. As of now, there is no public proof provided by the accuser. For the third time, if his accusations are correct then the head coach needs to be gone yesterday but if they are false, shame on the accuser and any accomplises.

Sounds like Sirena Williams had a similar experience - conspiracy or toxic culture?

In regards to the statement of KST or. Lyles “could have got in to STL. Or KC. “ they didn’t have to work to hard all the groundwork was put in place. Peterson and football built that bridge for mizzou to Stl and KC

If you're saying that Coach McGuire (the previous head coach) had a reputation for being a racist then that is the most ridiculous thing I've heard in a long time. Ask black people who were his athletes. He was and is a very kind man. If your comment went back before his time then I have no idea. I haven't been around the program for about 15 years, but the fact is that there wasn't much scholarship emphasis given to the sprints. The model was to have a strong mid-distance and distance program (who also filled out your XC roster), some multis, and Halter later developed the throws program so much they had to get scholarship money. It worked for putting together a solid program which also had a high GPA. If one of the earlier comments about the guys team is accurate (I don't know if it is) with some of the guy's team not pulling their weight because of drinking, then they need to be cut. The only way the program worked was a bunch of us being hardcore about having a blue collar work ethic and wanting to be good. Culture builds and sustains a program and overcomes any temporary hit in talent loss.

dplikedp wrote:

Mizzou sprints hasn't been good for decades, since the 1980s. The sprints at that time was driven by a group of Nigerian athletes. Since then outside of Coach Brown and Woodson elite sprinters have been hard to come by for Mizzou. Part of this was based on the reputation of the previous head coach who had the reputation of being a racist. This led to Mizzou being shunned by the black community in the St. Louis area. Also, it's important to mention that all states have local coaches and athletes who "hate" on their flagship school.

smoke there's fire wrote:

https://www.columbiamissourian.com/news/higher_education/former-track-and-field-coach-s-lawsuit-alleges-racial-discrimination/article_de921b78-7aff-11e8-9152-d7f0a71c0693.html

Sounds like Sirena Williams had a similar experience - conspiracy or toxic culture?

If the comment - "I live at the corner of etc etc.... one my K etc etc" is true, it should be an automatic termination.

I have no idea where people can think otherwise in a business environment. Clearly its a sign of entitled racism and an expectation that he is impervious to censure. As soon as she reported those statements - if factual - an investigation should have taken place, and if confirmed he should have been immediately terminated.

Okay as a fellow drunk, we are not the ones saying he got fired lol. What would that accomplish? Don’t bring us into this.

Doesn't seem too far fetched that there are issues with this department and racism.... maybe JUSTTT maybe we should give the victim/s the benefit of the doubt. Seems like a lot of smoke here.

Seems like a lot of smoke here wrote:

http://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id/22545453/dawn-staley-south-carolina-gamecocks-sues-missouri-tigers-ad-jim-sterk-claiming-defamation

Doesn't seem too far fetched that there are issues with this department and racism.... maybe JUSTTT maybe we should give the victim/s the benefit of the doubt. Seems like a lot of smoke here.

you forgot to mention how much shame will rain down on her from on high if the accusations aren't proven.

Shame, shame.

shame,Shame.

Seems like a lot of smoke here wrote:

http://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id/22545453/dawn-staley-south-carolina-gamecocks-sues-missouri-tigers-ad-jim-sterk-claiming-defamation

Doesn't seem too far fetched that there are issues with this department and racism.... maybe JUSTTT maybe we should give the victim/s the benefit of the doubt. Seems like a lot of smoke here.

Did you actually read the article? South Carolina fans yelled racial slurs at Mizzou players during a game. The Mizzou AD got in trouble because he publicly called out South Carolina's coach and fans rather than going through SEC channels to resolve it. Not really relevant to the issue here (not to mention most of the issues Lyles brought up were with the previous AD).

That being said, Halter doesn't have a great reputation in the state. He's known as a great technical coach that can be a dick if you're on his bad side. If the things mentioned in the article are true, I hope the administration lets him go. Lyles didn't have a great reputation either. A lot of the transfers mentioned in earlier posts were planning on transferring before Lyles left anyways because of conflicts with him, so I don't think Lyles is totally innocent. Most likely the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

Having an athlete or athletes do well at the SEC meet or even NCAAs doesn’t mean you should get a raise or even keep your job. Fit with the team, paperwork, showing up on time, making the HC look good can all impact your job. Heck- didn’t oklahoma fire it’s only decent assistant a couple of years ago? His wasn’t he only squad to earn points at NCAAs and he wento on to coach Maggie Ewen to 2 NCAA records.

One decent sprinter doesn’t mean you can keep your job or get a raise.

Missouri is reportedly giving Halter their full support. He’s not being put on leave. If there was even the slightest chance this were true Mizzou would hang Halter out to dry.

JustSayin wrote:

Having an athlete or athletes do well at the SEC meet or even NCAAs doesn’t mean you should get a raise or even keep your job. Fit with the team, paperwork, showing up on time, making the HC look good can all impact your job. Heck- didn’t oklahoma fire it’s only decent assistant a couple of years ago? His wasn’t he only squad to earn points at NCAAs and he wento on to coach Maggie Ewen to 2 NCAA records.

One decent sprinter doesn’t mean you can keep your job or get a raise.

Missouri is reportedly giving Halter their full support. He’s not being put on leave. If there was even the slightest chance this were true Mizzou would hang Halter out to dry.

i love it when people speak authoritatively on things they know absolutely nothing about.

Any sane rational person would concede that there is at least a slight chance that this is true.