Soccer players would be the best distance runners, and NFL players would be the best sprinters

You are dismissed simply for stating that Bullet Bob's times were hand-timed. The 64 Olympics... You are aware that electricity and automation existed in 64, right?

What, LRC is not the place to have intelligent discussion about sprinting. As you stated, there are easily 50 NFLers who have clocked sub-10.4. This isn't conjecture. The times are on the books. Michael Bennett, Tim Dwight, Jamaal Charles, James Jett, Darrell Green, OJ, Hayes, etc. High school state champions, NCAA champions, Olympic medalists.

Here's way more than 40 NFL players who've run 10.4 or faster in the 100:

Jeff Demps, Trindon Holliday, Tyreke Hill, Jacoby Ford, Bob Hayes, James Trapp, Jim Hines, Michael Bennett, Ron Brown, Curtis Dickey, James Jett, Darrell Green, Tommie Smith, Terrence Newman, Alvis Whitted, Jamaal Charles, Willie Gault, Sam Graddy, OJ Simpson, Henry Carr, Jahvid Best, Sultan McCollough, Michael Bates, Ronaldo Nehemiah, Isaac Curtis, Herschel Walker, Mark Duper, Pat Johnson, Cliff Branch, Tim Dwight, Deion Sanders, Eric Dickerson, Adrian Peterson, Rod Woodson, Warrick Dunn, Mel Gray, Curtis Conway, CJ Spiller, Randy Moss, Stephen Davis, Kenyon Rambo, Kris Johnson, Marquise Goodwin, Reggie Bush, Napoleon Kaufman, Adoree Jackson, Ronald Darby, Bo Jackson, Stanford Routt.

https://web.stanford.edu/~clint/100m_nfl.htm

There are a handful of guys in NCAA football every year that show how solid they can be as sprinters if the were to focus on that. The fastest 100s ever listed for soccer players have the top 15 rounded out in the 11s. Here is a link for just this year showing all NCAA football players that competed in track. Enjoy.

Also, here is an article Flotrack did on NFL players in Track:

You're being silly, All these guys would beat most soccer players 400m and under:

NFL Player Track Times

100m:

10.01 - Jacoby Ford (WR, Clemson - Oakland Raiders, 23 g)

10.06 - Bob Hayes (WR, Florida A&M - Dallas/San Fran, Hall of Fame)

10.06 - Ron Brown (WR, Arizona St - LA Rams/Raiders, 100 g)

10.07 - Alvis Whitted (WR, NC State - Jacksonville/Oakland, 122 g)

10.08 - Darrell Green (CB, Texas A&I - Washington Redskins, Hall of Fame)

10.09 - Sam Graddy (WR, Tennessee - Denver/LA Raiders, 43 g)

10.10 - Willie Gault (WR, Tennessee - Chicago/LA Raiders, 170 g)

10.11 - Mike Miller (WR, Tennessee - NY Giants/New Orleans, 16 g)

10.11 - Curtis Dickey (RB, Texas A&M - Balt/Ind/Clev, 85 g)

10.14 - James Trapp (CB, Clemson - Raiders/Balt/Jkv, 149 g)

hand timing:

10.0 - Cliff Branch (WR, Colorado - Oakland/LA Raiders, 4 Pro Bowls)

Other notables

10.01 - Jeff Demps (RB, Florida - New England Pats)

10.23 - Herschel Walker (RB, Georgia - 6 teams, 2 Pro Bowls)

10.26 - Deion Sanders (CB/WR, Florida St - 5 teams, Hall of Fame)

10.44 - Bo Jackson (RB, Auburn - LA Raiders, 1 Pro Bowl)

10.3h - O.J. Simpson (RB, USC – Buffalo/San Fran, Hall of Fame)

200m:

20.01 - Michael Bates (RB, Arizona - 5 teams, 5 Pro Bowls)

20.15 (A) - Mike Miller (WR, Tennessee - NY Giants/New Orleans, 16 g)

20.17 - James Trapp (CB, Clemson - Raiders/Balt/Jkv, 149 g)

20.19 - Phil Epps (WR, TCU - Green Bay/ NY Jets, 95 g)

20.23 - Michael Timpson (WR, Penn State - NE/Chi/Phi, 116 g)

20.27 - Danny Peebles (WR, NC State - Tampa Bay/Cleveland, 30 g)

20.28 - Tony Jones (WR, Texas - Houston/Atlanta, 43 g)

20.29 - Alvis Whitted (WR, NC State - Jacksonville/Oakland, 122 g)

20.30 - Sam Graddy (WR, Tennessee - Denver/LA Raiders, 43 g)

20.32 - Jerome Mathis (WR, Hampton - Houston Texans, 1 Pro Bowl)

Other notables

20.76 - Deion Sanders (CB/WR, Florida St - 5 teams, Hall of Fame)

400m:

44.94 - Rod Jones (CB, SMU - Tamba Bay/Cincinnati, 146 g)

44.98* - Larry Jones (DB, Truman St - Washington/San Fran, 51 g)

45.17 - Travis Hannah (WR, USC - Houston Oilers, 37 g)

45.38 - Patrick Johnson (WR, Oregon - Balt/Wash/Jkv/Edm, 70 g)

45.69 - Scott Turner (DB, Illinois - Wash/SD/Denver, 101 g)

45.73 - Robert Smith (RB, Ohio State - Minnesota Vikings, 2 Pro Bowls)

45.76 - Ed Hervey (WR, USC - Edmonton Eskimos, 2x CFL All-Star)

45.88 - Alvis Whitted (WR, NC State - Jacksonville/Oakland, 122 g)

45.91 - Johnny Thomas (DB, Baylor - Wash/SD/Clev/Phi, 94 g)

46.02 - Russell Carter (DB, SMU - NY Jets/LA Raiders, 64 g)

hand timing:

45.4 - Henry Carr (DB, Arizona St - NY Giants, 37 g)

45.5* - Karl Farmer (WR, Pittsburgh - Atlanta/Tampa Bay, 17 g)

45.9 - Darrell Green (CB, Texas A&I - Washington Redskins, Hall of Fame)

Other notables

46.6h - Ollie Matson (RB, San Francisco - 4 teams, Hall of Fame)

That being said, of the ball sports soccer plyers would probably adjust the best to distance training.

Cuckooland wrote:

Scorpion_runner wrote:

But they would still be no match for WRs or running back Backs, too many of them run 10 seconds

Top 100 nfl players who ran sub 11...list is crazy

Herschel walker ran 10.23

I’m surprised Devin Hester’s time is only 10.62

Deion Sanders ran 10.26

Bottom line soccer players would get smoked.

https://web.stanford.edu/~clint/100m_nfl.htm

You're living in a make believe fantasy land. You can only convince yourself that NFL players can beat soccer players in a sprint. No one else will believe that. There are literaly hundreds of soccer players that can do sub 11. What the hell are a few NFLers going to do? They're overhyped but they're really not that good.

Let's see if how your brain works. You mention Sanders.

Sanders: 10.26 in the 100m

Gemili: 9.97 in the 100m, 19.97 in the 200m

Who is faster? Far faster?

Only being able to name one player who can run faster out of a World Wide sport that has been around longer is a terrible Strawman. Gemili doesn't even play soccer as his profession. guaranteed the top 25% of NFL sprint times beat the top 25% of Soccer times.

Also, it's pretty obvious when you consider genetics. Africans have better genes for distance running, hence they do better at those events, Americans with West African ancestry historically dominate in explosive and power based sports like sprinting. There is more money in Football so those athletes often play in the NFL instead of pursuing track past college.

Look at the countries that excel at soccer, they aren't the countries that win medals in sprinting. This is because they produce less athletes with the genes to be good sprinters and therefore are less likely to have the fast twitch fibers like those that go into the NFL.

The reality is that the NFL could not be a worldwide sport because most countries don't produce powerful enough athletes to compete.

Hmmmm what about West African countries? Or Caribbean countries? Or the fact that people of West African extraction live in other countries besides the US?

These are the old 100 yard dash pro footbalers who ran a sub 9.4.

9.3

Isaac Curtis Cal/SDS/Bengals

J.D.Hill ASU/Bills

Travis Williams ASU/Packers

John Roderick SMU/Dolphins

Henry Carr ASU/Giants

Stone Johnson Grambling/Chiefs

9.2

Mel Gray Missouri/Cards

Curtis Dickey Tex A&M/Colt

Cliff Btanch Colorado/Raiders

9.1

Bob Hayes FAMU/Cowboys

Willie McGee Alcorn/Chargers

All these pro footballers ran the Olympic 100m or 200m

Stone Johnson Grambling/Chiefs

Trenton Jackson Illinois/Eagles

Bob Hayes FAMU/Cowboys

Frank Budd Villanova/Eagles

Ray Norton SJS/Niners

Henry Carr ASU/Giants

Michael Bates Arizona/Seahawks

Gerald Tinker Kent St/Falcons

Larry Burton Purdue/Saints

Johnny Jones Texas/Jets

Ron Brown ASU/Rams

Sam Graddy Tennessee/Broncos

James Jett WV/Raiders

Sub 10.10

Bob Hayes

Trinidon Holliday LSU/Broncos

Jacoby Ford Clemson/Raiders

Ron Brown

Sam Graddy

Alvis Whitted NCSt/Raiders

Darrel Green Texas A&I/Redskins

Now lets see the soccer speedsters that can compare to that.

MurderDub wrote:

What, LRC is not the place to have intelligent discussion about sprinting. As you stated, there are easily 50 NFLers who have clocked sub-10.4. This isn't conjecture. The times are on the books. Michael Bennett, Tim Dwight, Jamaal Charles, James Jett, Darrell Green, OJ, Hayes, etc. High school state champions, NCAA champions, Olympic medalists.

In my opinion this would be the All Time NFL 100m.

lane

1,Trindon Holliday 10.00

2.Ron Brown 10.06

3.Jacoby Ford 10.01

4.Bob Hayes 10.06...........being this was ran on dirt some 55ish yeas ago, the superior time here.

5.Willie McGee....World Record 9.1

6.Sam Graddy 10.09

7.DarrelGreen 10.08

8.Cliff Branch 9.2

Jim Hines was a failed experiment.

Now what pro soccer player belongs in that race, yep.....there isn't one.

Whatley wrote:

MurderDub wrote:

What, LRC is not the place to have intelligent discussion about sprinting. As you stated, there are easily 50 NFLers who have clocked sub-10.4. This isn't conjecture. The times are on the books. Michael Bennett, Tim Dwight, Jamaal Charles, James Jett, Darrell Green, OJ, Hayes, etc. High school state champions, NCAA champions, Olympic medalists.

In my opinion this would be the All Time NFL 100m.

lane

1,Trindon Holliday 10.00

2.Ron Brown 10.06

3.Jacoby Ford 10.01

4.Bob Hayes 10.06...........being this was ran on dirt some 55ish yeas ago, the superior time here.

5.Willie McGee....World Record 9.1

6.Sam Graddy 10.09

7.DarrelGreen 10.08

8.Cliff Branch 9.2

Jim Hines was a failed experiment.

Now what pro soccer player belongs in that race, yep.....there isn't one.

What is this now. So you are saying these people were pro sprinters and NFL players at the same time? If they were not a pro sprinter and pro NFL player at the same time and they didn't run these times during the NFL season then your point doesn't make sense. You're saying a pro soccer player should take off time during the season and train for sprinting for some reason then post some fast times, then go back to playing pro soccer? Why would they do that?

sbeefyk2 wrote:

Actually soccer players would be better 400 runners at best. There was just a piece of research out yesterday that showed at the World Cup how often play is stopped.

Care to guess?

Every 58 seconds they stop play and stand around. They could not be distance runners and take a break every 58 seconds.

Yeah that's why ex soccer player Galen Rupp will never be any good at distance running.

Yeah and it also explains why 80 year old Wayne Rooney just did this. Has to be close to the age group WR for 60 meter run...lol

http://digg.com/video/rooney-highlight-dc-united

MeHereYouWhere?! wrote:

Yeah and it also explains why 80 year old Wayne Rooney just did this. Has to be close to the age group WR for 60 meter run...lol

http://digg.com/video/rooney-highlight-dc-united

You're quoting something from the MLS. Rooney is a 32 year old has been. Now he's enjoying his retirement league which is the MLS. Please focus on real football and not what a lower level league drums up.

Do people really look down at MLS?

My opinion is that MLS is almost as good as Ligue 1, EPL, and Serie A. It's just that other countries and their culture hype up their players so much that all the players in Europe are given hero status.

Maybe European football (soccer) has more tactics, but the physicality of football players should be the same worldwide.

It's just the mentality and tactics... right?

Nigel,

It was a joke. I know Wayne Rooney is not 80...and I also know MLS as a league is NOT exactly the EPL (I'd garner to say it's probably the quality of the lower end teams of the Championship). Still a pretty incredible play.

Puzzling as to why the coach of DC United would bring his goalie all the way up..in a tie game..lol. Not sure I've ever seen that one before. Also puzzling is why the forward hesitated at all. Just go straight to goal or shoot it towards the goal in general.

Rooney made a hell of a play, but if the forward doesn't have the slight hesitation (maybe he was looking to see if he could make a pass?), the tackle, change of possession, pass and incredible goal don't happen.

1. We have a greater access to carbohydrates, protein, and training than the West African countries.

2. Caribbean athletes in sprinting are mostly of west african descent as they were brought over through the slave trade.

3. People that were selected and taken from west africa hundreds of years ago and were required to do manual labor that takes strength and power are going to naturally be better at sports that require the same.

Nigeria has produced about a dozen (mostly schooled in the USA) sub10.00 sprinters. All of white Europe, Asia, the Middle East combined can't match that.

Whatley wrote:

Nigeria has produced about a dozen (mostly schooled in the USA) sub10.00 sprinters. All of white Europe, Asia, the Middle East combined can't match that.

Europeans had 90% of sub 10.20 sprinters by the 50s 60s. Then they stopped caring and it slowly became a black event. Whites moved on to bigger and better things.

Dopeydoo wrote:

Whatley wrote:

Nigeria has produced about a dozen (mostly schooled in the USA) sub10.00 sprinters. All of white Europe, Asia, the Middle East combined can't match that.

Europeans had 90% of sub 10.20 sprinters by the 50s 60s. Then they stopped caring and it slowly became a black event. Whites moved on to bigger and better things.

This is such a crappy, undignified post. Just sad.

Why not actually research things just a little bit, ok?

Black USA sprinters prior to 1970.

Howard Drew the first "Worlds Fastest Human" WR 9.6

Olympic medalists

Eddie Tolan

Jesse Owens

Ralph Metcalfe

Harrison Dilliard

Barney Ewell

Bob Hayes

Jimmy Hines

Charlie Greene

Now add all these sub 10.3 or 9.5

Eulace Peacock

Art Bragg

Jim Golliday

Trenton Jackson

Ray Norton

Paul Drayton

Richard Stebbins

John Moon

Bernie Rivers

Hal Busby

Frank Budd

Mel Pender

Ira Murchison

Willie Williams

Bobby Poynter

Willie White

Leamon King

Henry Carr

Ronnie Ray Smith

Tommie Smith

That is just the USA.

There was E.McDonal Bailey from Trinidad, Herb McKenley aJamaican.

Now what did Europe have that compares to that?