Female jogger accidentally crosses the US/Canadian border - held in custody for 2 weeks!

celery

this a thread about over-zealous border enforcement ......and you're blaming Democrats?

reality distortion is strong in this one

derp wrote:

celery

this a thread about over-zealous border enforcement ......and you're blaming Democrats?

reality distortion is strong in this one

I was replying to poster regarding his/her analogy that the US was like Soviet Russia. Since Soviet Russia was a Socialist state, and since many in the Democratic party are now Socialist, my reply to that poster was appropriate.

I know it might be hard for you to follow the context of who I was replying to, so I'll explain it to you as if this is your first day on the internet. You see, sometimes in threads people may not be replying to the original poster, but instead to something another poster said. They indicate this by quoting the poster in question (hint: that's the big rectangular box you see above my paragraphs). Or maybe you are just being willfully ignorant of the context of my statement so that you can find some weak reason to criticize me. Ok, that's fine. If you want to waste your time, keep it up.

John Utah wrote:

A Canadian wrote:

Between Trump, the TSA, and the US Border Police, no one wants to intentionally visit the US. Very easy to get shot by guns while in the US.

So then why do we have immigration problems if it sucks to be here? You know, what you are saying doesn’t make any sense, right?

I think what was meant was that nobody in Canada wants to intentionally visit the U.S. right now. I know plenty of people who refuse to travel down there until you guys get a new president. P.S. Canada has immigration problems too; get over yourself.

derp wrote:

celery

this a thread about over-zealous border enforcement ......and you're blaming Democrats?

reality distortion is strong in this one

I agree.

There is very little difference between the two parties.

Wasting time arguing about which of the same is the better, is obscuring the real issues.

dunes runner wrote:

derp wrote:

celery

this a thread about over-zealous border enforcement ......and you're blaming Democrats?

reality distortion is strong in this one

I agree.

There is very little difference between the two parties.

Wasting time arguing about which of the same is the better, is obscuring the real issues.

What do you think are the real issues?

celery wrote:

dunes runner wrote:

I agree.

There is very little difference between the two parties.

Wasting time arguing about which of the same is the better, is obscuring the real issues.

What do you think are the real issues?

What do you think are the main issues?

The major (and eventually fatal) longer term issue for we Europeans right now is that we have become apathetic, decadent and don’t have the moral courage to defend our civilisation from a hostile invading army of violent, intolerant, backward, largely illiterate, largely unemployable, often criminal people who hate us and want to destroy everything our forefathers (and foremothers, of course) have built up for us.

Of more immediate, it is that all the world’s major economies are in deep debt, at record peacetime levels and only surviving by the central banks printing money out of thin air. So far, the system is working, but it just takes an incident like the Lehman Brothers collapse to trigger a worldwide depression like that in the 1930’s that was only ended by the outbreak of WW2. The main constituent of the problems of the 1930’s was the tariff war between nations and is ominous that your Trump seems determined to start another tariff war with unforeseen consequences.

30ft tall wrote:

USA-Canada should get a wall like Mexico-Guatemala has. it's an anomaly on the America continent to have arbitrary lines in the sand.

This is completely false. There is no border wall between Mexico and Guatemala.

Congratulations on falling for a Russian troll farm campaign...

Canada Girl wrote:

John Utah wrote:

So then why do we have immigration problems if it sucks to be here? You know, what you are saying doesn’t make any sense, right?

I think what was meant was that nobody in Canada wants to intentionally visit the U.S. right now. I know plenty of people who refuse to travel down there until you guys get a new president. P.S. Canada has immigration problems too; get over yourself.

Well, you Prime Minister is an embarrassment so maybe we both stay in our own countries. So what? I’m fine with that. Maybe you should stop buying any of our products. I’ll bet you won’t though.

When I first read this story I too was skeptical. Seemed like another media piece designed to stir things up by omitting some key facts. For example, I still haven't read how far into the US she traveled. Was it a few yards, as someone walking their dog near the Peace Arch might do (noted above that some people do that)? Or was it a few hundred yards? Then I looked at the area on Google Earth and did some measurements. Sign or no sign marking the border there, the overhead image would seem to indicate that most people would recognize that they're close to an international border when they're on that beach. The major 3-lane highway is less than 50 yards to the east. There are train tracks between the beach and the highway, so maybe this woman couldn't see all the cars backed up waiting to cross into the US. The Canada crossing plaza is a little over 200 yards to the east and it looks like there are a bunch of trees, so I would guess she didn't see the Canada plaza. But those trees stop about 100 yards north of the border. Combine that with the highway immediately to the east and it doesn't seem logical that one wouldn't be able to deduce that the border is somewhere close by.

Not sure where she started her run from. The closest street that gets near the beach on the Canada side is about 1/2 mile away, the closest neighborhood is about 3/4 of a mile away, and the southern-most part of the city of White Rock is about 2 miles away. On the USA side, the city of Blaine is a lot closer, just over 1/4 mile south of the border. So I could see that it would be easier for someone to wander across the border from the USA side - if you're walking/jogging from the marina area in Blaine it's less than 1000 yards on the beach to the border. From the Canada side it's a lot farther and much more remote.

A few more points...

Border signs? I've been across the US/Canada border on a few roads in northern VT. They are all very clearly marked as you get close, I'd say within a mile. I've also been to the border on the Long Trail I don't remember any signs there (maybe there were, it's been about 10 years). But there are cement/metal markers every couple hundred feet (less? more?) right on the border. They're big, like 4' square on the base and maybe 6' high. It is IMPOSSIBLE to miss the border in that area in the woods, because the trees have been cut. It's about a 50' wide swath, runs as far as you can see east and west, down the valleys and up over the hills. It's unlike anything I've ever seen, much more prominent than how they cut the trees for telephone poles and other utilities - and dead straight. Even if one came out of the woods nowhere near one of the metal markers there would be no way you wouldn't realize you were at a border crossing. I understand the beach in Blaine doesn't look that way, but in the woods that's what it is.

How many of the mass shootings have been done by illegal immigrants?

There are more white people than any other race on welfare in the U.S.

Immigrants come to the U.S. and work HARD doing jobs lazy Americans refuse to do.

I actually agree with Trump on most issues. Especially I that he understands unlike Obama that nearly all governmental issues are regulated to the states. That’s how the Constituon is set up.

However, this country is nearly ALL illegal immigrants. The natives were deceived with many broken “treaties” so if you’re white YOU are here illegally.

As John Wayne was eloquently stated; "Life is tough. But its tougher when you're stupid"

runuke wrote:

As John Wayne was eloquently stated; "Life is tough. But its tougher when you're stupid"

I think you’ll find most of John Wayne’s observations are unacceptable in the USA of 2018.

Different era, different ethics and morality.

HRH wrote:

runuke wrote:

As John Wayne was eloquently stated; "Life is tough. But its tougher when you're stupid"

I think you’ll find most of John Wayne’s observations are unacceptable in the USA of 2018.

Different era, different ethics and morality.

Yes cause people are so different than a 100 years ago. We evolved so greatly. We read so much more now and are much more physically active. It’s not like we waste away on tv/computers/phones and sit on our asses. We are so much greater than them “old” people. They neither felt no emotions or solved any issues in their lives. They are sooooooooo different than us! #sarcasm

runuke wrote:

As John Wayne was eloquently stated; "Life is tough. But its tougher when you're stupid"

He certainly should have known, but it wasn't that tough for him anyway, besides him being a jerk.

Evolved superior wrote:

HRH wrote:

I think you’ll find most of John Wayne’s observations are unacceptable in the USA of 2018.

Different era, different ethics and morality.

Yes cause people are so different than a 100 years ago. We evolved so greatly. We read so much more now and are much more physically active. It’s not like we waste away on tv/computers/phones and sit on our asses. We are so much greater than them “old” people. They neither felt no emotions or solved any issues in their lives. They are sooooooooo different than us! #sarcasm

Report of the UN Special Rapporteur on extreme poverty and human rights on his mission to the United States of America

18th June 2018

Overview 4. The United States is a land of stark contrasts. It is one of the world’s wealthiest societies, a global leader in many areas, and a land of unsurpassed technological and other forms of innovation. Its corporations are global trendsetters, its civil society is vibrant and sophisticated and its higher education system leads the world. But its immense wealth and expertise stand in shocking contrast with the conditions in which vast numbers of its citizens live. About 40 million live in poverty, 18.5 million in extreme poverty, and 5.3 million live in Third World conditions of absolute poverty.4 It has the highest youth poverty rate in the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), and the highest infant mortality rates among comparable OECD States. Its citizens live shorter and sicker lives compared to those living in all other rich democracies, eradicable tropical diseases are increasingly prevalent, and it has the world’s highest incarceration rate, one of the lowest levels of voter registrations in among OECD countries and the highest obesity levels in the developed world. 5. The United States has the highest rate of income inequality among Western countries.5 The $1.5 trillion in tax cuts in December 2017 overwhelmingly benefited the wealthy and worsened inequality. The consequences of neglecting poverty and promoting inequality are clear. The United States has one of the highest poverty and inequality levels among the OECD countries, and the Stanford Center on Inequality and Poverty ranks it 18th out of 21 wealthy countries in terms of labour markets, poverty rates, safety nets, wealth inequality and economic mobility. But in 2018 the United States had over 25 per cent of the world’s 2,208 billionaires. 6 There is thus a dramatic contrast between the immense wealth of the few and the squalor and deprivation in which vast numbers of Americans exist. For almost five decades the overall policy response has been neglectful at best, but the policies pursued over the past year seem deliberately designed to remove basic protections from the poorest, punish those who are not in employment and make even basic health care into a privilege to be earned rather than a right of citizenship.