Questionfortoday wrote:
I’m confused. I thought the Hanson’s were Desi’s coaches, and that her sponsorship was through Brooks, which she’s continuing. So she’s choosing to leave her coaches - why are people behaving as though she’s committing some sort of betrayal?
Because this forum traditionally has very strong opinions when women and/or minorities break free from their white men overlords. I'll let you figure out why that is...
wejo wrote:
sounds like the hansens are better off without her, good riddance! would not be surprised to see everyone else in the group improve a lot now that she's gone. she probably sucked all the attention away from everyone else and created drama.
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So the other people in the group who aren't near her level are doing poorly because of her? I doubt they'll ever be good then. How does she affect their training?
Also I don't get how Des is a Prima Donna? If anything she was asked about her thoughts of Ritz and she downplayed the rift within the group. Then she largely trained on her own (with everything the Hansons taught her), wins Boston, and she is just supposed to stay in the group for appearances? They had great success together. They wouldn't have won Boston without one another, but the rift is there.
I don't have a problem with her moving on. This isn't a marriage.
If Desi wanted input in every roster decision, she likely also wanted input with everything else. She likely took up more of the Hansons time than the other runners, created drama left and right, threw more temper tantrums, demanded special treatment, etc. How is her throwing her coaches and teammates under the bus good for the team?
That's why no teams wanted to sign Terrell Owens even though he was still playing decent. He divided the team. Sounds like Desi is the same.
It's too cold and dreary in Michigan.
Seattle is also rainy and dreary.
Brooks needs to relocate to the new up-and-coming running hub of SilverCity, New Mexico.
M.A.G.A.
Neutral Party Here wrote:
Why can't we just accept the statements of Des and Hansons?
Hansons said that she no longer needs development. That is 100% true. I believe that Des is in a different place today than in the past. When she finished 2nd at Boston in 2011 she was highly motivated to improve and went on to run 31:30 and 15:08 that summer. That is not her mindset today. She ran 35:12 at the NYRR Mini and will be racing today at the BAA 10k. She is in victory tour mode and I don't blame her but what does she need from the Hansons.
Great time for separation.
Good points.
Boston you have to give her credit for hanging tough, truth is she got a flyer that day.
She is by far on the backside of her career as we have a slew of US runners now running faster and competitive on the world scene.
Her 10k times have slipped. She is just not the runner she once was.
She will cash in over the next year, but performances will dictate the future beyond.
Does anyone know if the Hansons got a cut % of her winnings and or dealings. Maybe thats why she is trying to free herself up.
Noted drama queen Desi Linden.
Desi has a valid point. She’s pretty outspoken about anti-doping and when Ritz joined the Hansons they knowingly brought on someone who has doping allegations leveled against him.
FWIW, I heard years (6-7?) ago from someone on the Hansons team that Desi did her own workouts (written by her husband?). She'd run with the group a couple of times a week, but that was it.
Well, rocky, maybe that's because Desi is so much better than any other woman on the team. Brian Sell used to do a lot of stuff on his own.
Update Desi wrote:
38:27 this morning at BAA 10k
Maybe she is tring to help the Hansons. No one wants to be the coach of that kind of performance.
All this talk of who is and who isn't a "blue collar runner" is some of the worst nonsense I've ever heard. These are all people with professional shoe contracts, after all. Perhaps the only actual blue collar professional runner was Brian Sell, who had a job that involved some heavy lifting.
Wowza wrote:
Update Desi wrote:
38:27 this morning at BAA 10k
Maybe she is tring to help the Hansons. No one wants to be the coach of that kind of performance.
She said she was just running it as a "victory lap" of her Boston marathon win and to take in the sights of Boston. Meb also jogged it.
Meb retired.
Of course she said that.
So her 35:12 two weeks ago in NYC was her race?
Did you see how Molly huddle is recovering from the same Boston Marathon? She just won the 10000 at USATF and closed in 4:38 for her last mile.
Because Molly still has a career. Des will be on the Victory tour until retirement.
I don't know what kind of conjecture you're making, I'm just telling you what she said. And it is very clear that she can run faster than 35 and, of course, 38 minutes. So no, those were not "race" efforts. If you think they were, I don't know what to tell you.
Based on what passes for normal on this forum, people have a surprisingly low bar for what constitutes a tantrum elsewhere.
Moreover, some of you are delusional if you think a runner shouldn't cash out as much as possible after winning the Boston Marathon--maybe the only race the general public cares about in this country. Even running fanatics here won't pay money to watch a capacity crowd of 500 cheer on the alleged pinnacle of our sport this weekend.
Oh Really wrote:
All this talk of who is and who isn't a "blue collar runner" is some of the worst nonsense I've ever heard. These are all people with professional shoe contracts, after all. Perhaps the only actual blue collar professional runner was Brian Sell, who had a job that involved some heavy lifting.
Exactly. I always cringed when Desi was put up as a model of a blue collar runner. She isn’t and hasn’t been. Sell was. Yuki is.
I think there are a few runners with full time jobs.
How did Molly do against Des two months ago?
Sand Dunes wrote:
running commenter wrote:
Well that's just a nice, ignorant comment.
Remind me again what their results have been over the years?
I shouldn't have to remind you, you're just as ignorant as the first guy.
I don’t see it this way at all. I see it as the Hansons have made a name out of doing things the right way. Desi knows her reputation is closely linked with the Hanson’s. And on the first opportunity, the Hanson’s pick up Ritz, a guy with a known history of a lot of controversial drug usage with AlSal, from one of the shadiest programs in distance running. Yes, that is a huge letdown for someone who wants to steer clear of that type of reputation, and the public does link by association.
Weather or not Ritz wanted to be a part of the guinea pig stuff is another thing, he has a history established. While not all people will agree, I can at least see why Desi doesn’t want to have a future with them.
Bbfkckvchvj wrote:[/b
Josh Cox and her have a creepily close relationship
Do all agents follow their athletes everywhere they go?
https://twitter.com/charlesriverrun/status/1010891910951636992Southbound 35 wrote:
Bbfkckvchvj wrote:[/b
Josh Cox and her have a creepily close relationship
Do all agents follow their athletes everywhere they go?
https://twitter.com/charlesriverrun/status/1010891910951636992
No they don't follow them around like creepy stalkers.
Athletes don't need to be hand held. There is absolutely nothing the agent can do for an athlete that cannot do themselves on pre race and post. Unless they are the coach and at that point beyond strategy nothing can be done.
Josh makes himself look foolish.