He said he was uncomfortable with the L-Caratine and felt like he was being used as a guinea pig. When told that he MAY have taken it in larger quantities than legal he left and went to USADA to inquire.
NEVER DID HE ACKNOWLEDGE USIG A BANNED SUBSTANCE.
Everyone that was on the Alberto hate train heard what they wanted. Ritz left in 2014. He was with Alberto for 5 years and been gone for 4 years and a total open book with USADA.
Once a roommate wrote:
Having lived with Des I can add one thing.
Ryan Linden is a Saint.
No respect now wrote:
sleazazar wrote:
There is more than “none” proof that Ritz exceeded the allowable amount of intravenous fluid for the L Carnitine injection. Do your homework.
You are wrong and you know it. If you had proof, you would have posted it.
You had said NO evidence that he didn’t ANYTHING wrong. The details within say otherwise.
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=8472790You are wrong and you know it. If you had proof, you would have posted it.[/quote]
The rhetoric surrounding current doping suspicions of active athletes is very intriguing. I remember when Lance was on the latter half of his "historic" TdF win streak similar arguments would crop up. One side would argue that where there's smoke there is fire and the other side would argue that plenty of things emit smoke without ACTUALLY being on fire. Both sides are inevitably correct. However, one side completely ignores any evidence against the accused while the other manipulates weak evidence into seemingly strong. I propose a third more moderate solution. Get your head out of your asses and realize that where an advantage that is either impossible to test for or very difficult to test for, a large percentage of athletes are willing to try it. If you need any proof of that claim, check out the 5k world leaders from the late 90's early 00's. Ritz may have never doped, but claiming there is NO proof and that the burden is on us to prove how dirty an individual is revealing your ignorance on the subject. In this day and age the burden is on the athlete to prove they are clean. Let me guess, you were beyond stunned that Asbel Kiprop popped on a doping control. If you love the sport, love it warts and all. But, don't criticize the reigning Boston Marathon champion for leaving a program as to not be associated with someone who has come under suspicion. Desi Linden 2018 Boston Marathon Champion, god is that a great sentence to be able to type!
No respect now wrote:
Moby wrote:
A rift occured after they let Ritz into the group and Desi has NOT pleased. Then openly spoke out against her own group/coaches to the media at boston. This was only a matter of time
If she is leaving because of Ritz, I will lose all respect for Desi.
There is no evidence that Ritz has done anything wrong. NONE.
Yet Desi and many of her friends throw temper tantrums and throw innocent people under the bus.
So selfish and disrespectful of Desi to make it all about her. They stuck with her throughout bad races and hard times. They are the only reason she won Boston. To kick them aside because they signed a guy who she has a conspiracy theory about is immature, classless, and disrespectful.
I can understand that she thinks she is being true to her ideals and wants to be able to claim moral superiority, but really she is a bitter, selfish conspiracy theorist who wants to discredit the successful careers of innocent people.
Aren't you doing the same thing as her?
Perhaps linden is the dirt one. She is the only top level marathoner that would of been impossible to predict.
Look at the college careers of Shalane, Amy, Kara, Deena, and Desi. Only one came out of nowhere.
Her protests are so loud that the appear to be a way of taking the pressure off of where it belongs.
I remember when Paula was super outspoken against doping and held up a sign at the WC. It seems funny now.
Desi will now be under a microscope and I bet never achieve anything notable.
Key word is APPEARS.
That means maybe yes or maybe no depending on what you want to believe. If it turns into something then yes. If not then no.
Not true wrote:
He said he was uncomfortable with the L-Caratine and felt like he was being used as a guinea pig. When told that he MAY have taken it in larger quantities than legal he left and went to USADA to inquire.
NEVER DID HE ACKNOWLEDGE USIG A BANNED SUBSTANCE.
Everyone that was on the Alberto hate train heard what they wanted. Ritz left in 2014. He was with Alberto for 5 years and been gone for 4 years and a total open book with USADA.
well you have to guilty with asterisk. If he was uncomfortable he had that moment to choose yes or no. He choose yes and then he regretted the guilty decision. He didn't go out of his way to cheat, he was talked into it. So I feel his pain, but he still did it.
running32 wrote:
wejo wrote:
This move isn't totally surprising.
My belief is the tension between Des and the Hansons in the buildup to Boston was much bigger than most thought. She was unhappy with Ritz being brought into the group. While the group usually trains in Florida in the winter, Des did much of her warm weather training in Phoenix. Granted John Ball, her physio is in Phoenix, but in years past she would join the group in Florida.
So for Boston, her greatest victory, she was much more on her own. Yet at the same time, the Hansons deserve so much credit for Des winning Boston, but it's not surprising now that she won, she'd move on.
Prior to winning Boston if she said she wanted to be on her own, Brooks might have pushed back, but now she can do what she wants.
Her win was great for her and for the Hansons team (and Brooks), but very few things last forever. She's still with Brooks.
Seems along the lines of what we'd been hearing here in Michigan- the Ritz add didn't jive with her. Seems like she's been spending a lot of time in her Charlevoix place too- enjoying things on her own.
Repeat much???
The USADA report is not based on belief or opinions, it's based on evidence gathered by investigators. It's pretty clear that l-carnitine infusions and testosterone meds were used by NOP athletes, including Ritzenhein. If you choose not to believe the USADA report that is your choice.
A typical thread wrote:
Some on here attack Desi. Some attack Hansons and still some attack Ritz. I choose to move on and wish them all luck in the future. Why does someone have to be wrong?
Exactly. LRC loves it when there’s a villain in the situation. Most likely though, it ended as most professional relationships do: neither party continued to see the arrangement as beneficial to them moving forward, so they respectfully parted ways. No big deal.
Once a roommate wrote:
Having lived with Des I can add one thing.
Ryan Linden is a Saint.
Sure you did.
Good.
Says APPEARS wrote:
Key word is APPEARS.
That means maybe yes or maybe no depending on what you want to believe. If it turns into something then yes. If not then no.
And homeboy said NO evidence. There is clearly some evidence. Whether or not it is definitive proof is up for debate.
Dijon Gebremustard wrote:
https://twitter.com/des_linden/status/1010538453581344768Anyone know if she has another contract lined up? It would make sense in the wake of Boston
I wonder if there will be a big (unicorn) reveal at the BAA10k tomorrow?
I just find it very suspicious that three Americans (Ritz, Solinsky, Rupp) miraculously had major breakthroughs in 2009-2010 to break 13 minutes, and 27 minutes, and 1:00:00 for the half, and only one of them is still showing anything close to that sort of form.
Seyta wrote:
sleazazar wrote:
Sorry brother I’m out and about. Research it and if you’re incapable of finding it I will post it later. There was a whole thread here on it.
That investigation has been going on for years, and they haven't even managed to find one piece of usable evidence. This is even with leaks being made left and right by Fancy Bears, who are TRYING to make western athletes look bad.
If accurate and unadulterated, this interim report is to a medical board and was written by the agency involved with Lance eventually admitting to doping (after multiple years of denials, passed tests ["no evidence"], and investigation). Read the entire report, there appear to be multiple pieces of usable evidence... thus the report. I'm guessing that Ritz (Magness too) falls under whistleblower status in spite of potential anti-doping rule violations.
If Linden is uncomfortable with Hanson's supporting Ritz, that's not unreasonable. Shalane Flanagan has said something similar regarding NOP athletes "I think it's really important to consider who you associate yourself with. We don't get to choose our parents but we certainly get to choose our friends and our coaches and who we want to include in our circle and put our trust in. I think that who you choose to allow in says a lot about you. That's where I stand,". Even if unfair to Ritz, who has cooperated with USADA, his past may be a burden he has to live with.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B12sfJ8SraVNTW9nU3puUklyRzQ/viewA typical thread wrote:
Some on here attack Desi. Some attack Hansons and still some attack Ritz. I choose to move on and wish them all luck in the future. Why does someone have to be wrong?
Refreshing post, thanks. I agree. Ritz is a class act and tried to do the right thing. Desi took a stand because of his associations/rumors and I respect that too, she's been pretty direct about it. I'd like to see both of them do well.
AKMarmoset wrote:
A typical thread wrote:
Some on here attack Desi. Some attack Hansons and still some attack Ritz. I choose to move on and wish them all luck in the future. Why does someone have to be wrong?
Refreshing post, thanks. I agree. Ritz is a class act and tried to do the right thing. Desi took a stand because of his associations/rumors and I respect that too, she's been pretty direct about it. I'd like to see both of them do well.
here is the seperation between desi and ritz. desi was public and open the minute something shady was coming her way. Ritz decided to wait and see which way the wind was blowing, or to see if it would work. When he saw that he wasn't getting much better and that the public was turning on NOP then he tried to do the right thing.