What is this? Guy saying "here, I'm letting you beat me?". Super lame dude. Just finish 20 seconds back if you want to do this.
What is this? Guy saying "here, I'm letting you beat me?". Super lame dude. Just finish 20 seconds back if you want to do this.
WS100 watcher wrote:
What is this? Guy saying "here, I'm letting you beat me?". Super lame dude. Just finish 20 seconds back if you want to do this.
https://twitter.com/iRunFar/status/1010784709830299649
Is he some type of pacer? They are both wearing the same logo.
Nevermind, he's not in the race. He's a pacer.
Rick Sanchez wrote:
WS100 watcher wrote:
What is this? Guy saying "here, I'm letting you beat me?". Super lame dude. Just finish 20 seconds back if you want to do this.
https://twitter.com/iRunFar/status/1010784709830299649Is he some type of pacer? They are both wearing the same logo.
Didn't look close enough. Still. Pacers shouldn't photo-jump into finish line shots, IMO. It's your victory, not the pacer.
Like the pacers who paced the woman in that marathon earlier in the year. The male pacer photo-jumped into the woman's winner photos. People complained on heer about that. What marathon was it? Dubai?
Since it's her own pacer in an ultra, I suppose it's ok here.
Devastated Guy wrote:
kjkjl wrote:
Course Record, DESTROYED
Francois D'Haene, DESTROYED
Meghan Hicks, DESTROYED
Time for an apology from all the Meghan and Alfredo types and not to me, but to Walmsley. The conscious bias in this sport is quite unsettling. Can't accept runners with different backgrounds then their's...
Bear and cubs go den devastated.
Cubs got swept by the lowly Reds. They're done!!!
Zac Marion, the pacer, dropped out of Western States after taking a last-minute sponsor entry last year, which is not a surprise if you know him. If you're familiar with him, it isn't surprising, and neither is the attention grab at the finish line. Congrats, Zac, you finally crossed the Western States finish line!
A fun day to watch... wrote:
Walmsley did exactly what Meaghan wanted which is to pace properly and win the race. Course record is just a bonus. To essentially even split the race with the temps so much better the first 5 hours showed how easy he was running.
If he gets a decent weather year, I would love to see him go for sub 14 whether he blows up or not!!
You got it right in the end, but no way that was what Meaghan et al would call "proper pace" because the traditional ultra runner has no idea or capability to run that fast. That was Walmsley's proper pace for the day. I have no doubt whatsoever the traditional ultra crowd would have jumped on his ass again had he faded being so far under CR nearly the whole way on a 100 degree day. You got to understand they see the old traditional ultra runner records they've achieved as the equivalent of an elite 2:06 time or something in the competitive world, and that its an affront for faster people at shorter distances to think they can run faster. If he just ran mousy for the win like they were pleading (so as to not get embarassed as a whole by said performance), he wouldn't have broken the record and wow'd everybody. I think he beat the second place guy by an hour and a half or something, which is roughly like a 2:10 first place and 2:32 second place in the equivalent of a "major" marathon. Hopefully everyone shuts up about him going for records and such now because faster people are apples and slower people are oranges and that's that.
Bears are back and "defending the home turf!"
2011 article:
http://www.auburnjournal.com/article/media-life-tale-three-bears-adds-western-states-100-mystique
xray1 wrote:
MeHereYouWhere?! wrote:
The greatest race ever in an American ultra???
Oh please.
I like Walmsley (and if you recall I picked him on page 1 of this thread) but to put this ahead of Kilian Jornet's 2014 performance at the Hardrock 100 is laughable. Harder race overall....dude set the course record by 40 minutes...beat the 2nd place finisher by 2.5 hours and was reportedly not even running that hard and spent 10 to 15 minutes at the last 2 aid stations chatting with the people.
Agreed. I'd give a nod to Carpenter's Leadville record too.
Walmsley's CR was only notable for what was achieved under the temps the time can go much faster obviously. Kilian himself faded at western states due to lesser heat years before I believe. I'd put Carpenter's record above Kilian's. The description above pretty much tells you the hardrock record's got room for improvement I know that wasn't the author's intention. Although I'm happy Kilian before like Walmsley now have started to bring down these records that were revered as some sort of impenetrable "elite" ultra records years ago.
Walmsley FTW wrote:
A fun day to watch... wrote:
Walmsley did exactly what Meaghan wanted which is to pace properly and win the race. Course record is just a bonus. To essentially even split the race with the temps so much better the first 5 hours showed how easy he was running.
If he gets a decent weather year, I would love to see him go for sub 14 whether he blows up or not!!
You got it right in the end, but no way that was what Meaghan et al would call "proper pace" because the traditional ultra runner has no idea or capability to run that fast. That was Walmsley's proper pace for the day. I have no doubt whatsoever the traditional ultra crowd would have jumped on his ass again had he faded being so far under CR nearly the whole way on a 100 degree day. You got to understand they see the old traditional ultra runner records they've achieved as the equivalent of an elite 2:06 time or something in the competitive world, and that its an affront for faster people at shorter distances to think they can run faster. If he just ran mousy for the win like they were pleading (so as to not get embarassed as a whole by said performance), he wouldn't have broken the record and wow'd everybody. I think he beat the second place guy by an hour and a half or something, which is roughly like a 2:10 first place and 2:32 second place in the equivalent of a "major" marathon. Hopefully everyone shuts up about him going for records and such now because faster people are apples and slower people are oranges and that's that.
I was referring to proper pace for Jim but I agree with you that some don't understand how much faster Jim is than trailrunners before him. During the first running boom some elite runners ran ultras and ran great times but they were generally on roads or track. Trail racing just wasn't a thing then.
Gotta love how now all the idiots are starting to compare apples to oranges and bringing up Matt Carpenter's Leadville record, which, if you want my opinion, Walmsley would lower by a substantial amount.
Walmsley once again was at CR pace early in the race. Even the biased, Walsmley-hating Hicks, criticized him again saying he was being reckless in the heat. These old ultra runners don't understand speed and talent. They think 100's are all about "perseverance and grit." No, they are about fitness and running fast. That's why Francois got dusted. He's only 2:30 guy while Walmsley's more like a 2:10 guy but his talent is exemplified even more so on trails.
He can retire as the GOAT. He can take down UTMB.
You know they were licking at the chops for DaHaene aka "the proper ultra runner" to pass a fading Walmsley at mile 70 or something and say I told you so. If anything DaHaene didn't run a proper pace for himself trying to chase walmsley so he struggled more than he should have at this "easy" 100 miler according to the ultra folks. He gets kudos for trying though which is the whole point. No more chatting and warming up for 30 miles and "race starts" at mile 70 traditional bullcrap.
I can definitely see Jim breaking the Leadville 100 record. Matt set it when he was 41 years old, if Matt attempted it in his late 20s , it would be a lot lower. The longest standing road ultra record 100K was broken this weekend. This now leaves the longest standing mountain record left, the Pikes Peak marathon record. Set in 1993, it has stood now for almost 25 years.
Not sure if Jim can break this, genetics helps a lot since you get up to 14,000 feet. Plenty have tried, would love to see Jim attempt this!
lk wrote:
Gotta love how now all the idiots are starting to compare apples to oranges and bringing up Matt Carpenter's Leadville record, which, if you want my opinion, Walmsley would lower by a substantial amount.
Walmsley once again was at CR pace early in the race. Even the biased, Walsmley-hating Hicks, criticized him again saying he was being reckless in the heat. These old ultra runners don't understand speed and talent. They think 100's are all about "perseverance and grit." No, they are about fitness and running fast. That's why Francois got dusted. He's only 2:30 guy while Walmsley's more like a 2:10 guy but his talent is exemplified even more so on trails.
He can retire as the GOAT. He can take down UTMB.
It's great that Jim Walmsley finally won WS100 with a CR.
But his fans are still annoying.
This year was obviously a fast year for WS100. the heat is just one factor on a trail course. And obviously Walmsley could train that well in the Grand Canyon. While the Frenchman could not.
Let see how UMTB will turn out.
Walmsley is a good runner but the best or the fastest he is not, not even close. He just won a very specialized mountain trail 100 miler that's all.
Malachi in Va wrote:
I can definitely see Jim breaking the Leadville 100 record. Matt set it when he was 41 years old, if Matt attempted it in his late 20s , it would be a lot lower. The longest standing road ultra record 100K was broken this weekend. This now leaves the longest standing mountain record left, the Pikes Peak marathon record. Set in 1993, it has stood now for almost 25 years.
Not sure if Jim can break this, genetics helps a lot since you get up to 14,000 feet. Plenty have tried, would love to see Jim attempt this!
Let's wait and see.
Malachi in Va wrote:
I can definitely see Jim breaking the Leadville 100 record. Matt set it when he was 41 years old, if Matt attempted it in his late 20s , it would be a lot lower. The longest standing road ultra record 100K was broken this weekend. This now leaves the longest standing mountain record left, the Pikes Peak marathon record. Set in 1993, it has stood now for almost 25 years.
Not sure if Jim can break this, genetics helps a lot since you get up to 14,000 feet. Plenty have tried, would love to see Jim attempt this!
I think Pikes Peak marathon record is a legit record, I will have to bet against Jim beating that Carpenter's physique and oxygen capacity was just tailor made for that. Carpenter was also an outsider speed guy back in those days relative to the competition. Leadville will go down before Pikes Peak. Even Kilian has no chance at it even though he's the world's greatest downhiller, he doesn't have the capacity to go uphill fast enough for this. I would bet on a ugandan mountain runner or a sub-elite east african taking down pike peak.
Forest Gump again wrote:
This year was obviously a fast year for WS100. the heat is just one factor on a trail course. And obviously Walmsley could train that well in the Grand Canyon. While the Frenchman could not.
Let see how UMTB will turn out.
Walmsley is a good runner but the best or the fastest he is not, not even close. He just won a very specialized mountain trail 100 miler that's all.
I would argue its the other way around the old guard has to keep retreating to very specialized trail races, the more running you can take out of ultra running the better for them. Pretty soon you're find all the old guard hiking tough mudder desert tortoise races and calling those real ultras, not the apparently fakes ones faster runners are winning.
Coconino Callboys wrote:
I don't care who wins, I wanna list off DNF's and blow ups.
Cody Reed- 100% DNF potential, walks it in Big Jimbo but without any fanfare and finally realizes hes K-Mart Jim
Francois- Gets eaten alive by heat just before and after river crossing, still finishes because Ryan MF Sandes
Coree- It'll be great to watch him slowly crumble after mile 62
Zach Bitter- Definite DNF, wouldnt be surprised if he gets injured midway
Eric Senseman- Gets "cracked like an egg" per Jim quote. Dons cowboy hat and drives to finish to post like 10,000 videos and pictures of Jim regardless of outcome.
Although I will say Amanda Basham is the womens dark horse.
0/6 nice try, come back next year.
The Fap Scientist wrote:
Walmsley has a long history of weird crap happening to him guys, don't get excited. He still has time to be abducted by aliens, get lost again and get arrested somehow.
haha somebody said this HOURS before the mama bear incident. good call!