Tuohy 4:33!! New high school outdoor mile record

I'm not interested in trying to predict the future for this talented individual but if I were to ask her coaches and parents one question it would be...

What's the rush?

You want to know the main difference between Tuohy and Cain?

Tuohy has faith in her high school coach and is a good teammate.

On the contrary, Cain did not have faith in her high school coach (despite the fact that his record as a

coach is excellent.) She wanted a pro coach and by going pro

lost her teammates.

Try being Lebron James or Joe Montana without

a team around you.

One is a lonely number.

125r wrote:

You want to know the main difference between Tuohy and Cain?

Tuohy has faith in her high school coach and is a good teammate.

On the contrary, Cain did not have faith in her high school coach (despite the fact that his record as a

coach is excellent.) She wanted a pro coach and by going pro

lost her teammates.

Try being Lebron James or Joe Montana without

a team around you.

One is a lonely number.

Were her hs teammates as fast as a post collegiate Jordan Hasay and Treniere Mosier?

TrackCoach wrote:

CTFfftf wrote:

Tuohy is now already part of the top 3 HS legends

Cain

Efraimson

Tuohy

The top 2 are probably Gallagher and Decker. For a period, Gallagher held the H.S. record for the 800, 1500, mile, DMR and was the anchor for the nation's top 4x800 and 4x400 her senior year. She was also 3rd on the 5K list at one point, which she ran in trainers as a workout. In 1972, when Mary Decker ran 2:01.8 in the 800m and 4:40.1 in the mile indoors in high school at age 16, at that time, those were among the fastest times any American at any age had ever run indoors. - It's always important to have a historical perspective and place value on the passage of time.

Decker ran the 2:01.8i in Feb 1974, when she was 15 years, 6 months old. On an 11 lap-to-the-mile track.

systemic wrote:

rojo wrote:

Combined 1500/1600/mile list (expressed as miles):

4:24.19+ *Cain 2013

4:26.82+ *Efraimson 2014

4:26.99+ *Murphy 2016

4:28.61+ Aragon 2016

4:31.03+ Cranny 2014

4:32.83+ Rainsberger 2016

4:33.87 Tuohy 2018

What about Efraimson's 4:03 1500m in HS? That's not faster than a 4:26 mile?

That combined list comes from Track and Field News, which does not consider marks turned in after a high school athlete turns professional.

For some reason I thought Efraimson ran 4:03 as a junior (U20), but not a HS senior. Good call. Its pretty dumb to me that they dont count the HS records when youre literally still taking HS classes. May 30th isnt even after graduation in most places, especially the northern half of the country.

Cain had the more impressive HS/overall career but Efraimson was definitely close. 4:03 is no joke. And it was 4:03.3 too. Still her PR. Going pro early was the right move for both in my opinion.

Tuohy ran great in spring after a "slow" start for her. It was nice to see her actually happy with her race. Quite often she says she was hoping for a faster time.

XC was still her most impressive season of the year though. No one came within 40 seconds of her in a 5k and the only one who came that close was the 2nd place finisher at NXN who she raced like 5+ times. Monster talent. Considering she "only" has a 2:08-2:09 PR, its wild that she is even this fast in the mile. Cain and Efraimson ran 1:59 and 2:01 in HS i think.

A 2:08 800 PR does not bode well for her. These "aerobic beasts" almost always find themselves frequently injured (Ritz), burned-out, or, eventually, semi-competitive but with no kick (True).

Tuohy should be working on 400 and 800 speed. Dedicate the entire summer to this. Some serious lifting needs to be added to the mix. Cross-training is essential: biking and swimming. She should pick up a field event next track season, preferably triple jump. Keep the running casual, and keep the mileage down to a sensible amount.

Not a fan of her current trajectory. Has all the hallmarks of a SERIOUS burn-out. From where I stand, Lane has the brighter future. She looks healthier, isn't obsessive about running, and seems to have a good head on her shoulders.

.3/10

History has proven me right. As has my coaching experience.

Nippon Telenet wrote:

A 2:08 800 PR does not bode well for her.

She's started at 800m six times in her four year career, all at small local meets scoring points for her team, mostly as a part of a double or triple, with five firsts and a third.

She could go faster than 2:08 this afternoon if she needed to.

whiling wrote:

Decker ran the 2:01.8i in Feb 1974, when she was 15 years, 6 months old. On an 11 lap-to-the-mile track.

Don't track distances count from the center of the lane? So to determine the distance of a track they count from the center of lane 1. If you hug the line, then you're actually going to run a shorter distance on an 11 lap mile than you are going to run on a 4 lap mile. And you know you'll have zero wind. I know we think of running indoors as being hot and stuffy, but it's not entirely fair to talk about indoor runs like they're inherently more difficult. There are contrary arguments to be made.

What about Christine Babcocks 4:33.82 for 1600 in 2008? Surely the mile conversion puts it on that list, yes? Unless that is full miles only.

Deadstream wrote:

Nippon Telenet wrote:

A 2:08 800 PR does not bode well for her.

She's started at 800m six times in her four year career, all at small local meets scoring points for her team, mostly as a part of a double or triple, with five firsts and a third.

She could go faster than 2:08 this afternoon if she needed to.

If she could she would have.

In a few years we'll have two threads.

One celebrating Lane's multiple NCAA championship wins.

The other: "Whatever happened to Tuohy?"

Didn't the IAAF and the other alphabet orgs keep an under 19 list at onetime?

IAAF has a U20 list now.

Nippon Telenet wrote:

Deadstream wrote:

She's started at 800m six times in her four year career, all at small local meets scoring points for her team, mostly as a part of a double or triple, with five firsts and a third.

She could go faster than 2:08 this afternoon if she needed to.

If she could she would have.

In a few years we'll have two threads.

One celebrating Lane's multiple NCAA championship wins.

The other: "Whatever happened to Tuohy?"

I know you’re trolling, but I’ll dignify this with a response so 0.1/10. Dude I can semi understand( though I don’t agree with) you doubting Tuohy succeeding but to say Lane is going to beat out Tuohy makes no sense. You realize Lane can’t run an 800 at Tuohy’s Mile pace.... Lane wouldn’t have won the second pack race 100 meters back let alone hung with Tuohy in that mile.. Get a clue.

And yet Tuohy ducked Lane at Footlocker. Hmmmm..........................

One girl has two national XC titles. One has zero.

Stick a fork in Lane, she is done.

reer wrote:

The only thing I'd add regarding footspeed and tactics is that it might be good for her long-term development to work on sit-and-kick races.

There are already way too many sit and kick numskulls.

Food for thought... wrote:

What's the rush?

There's no rush, but life is for the living.