Tuohy 4:33!! New high school outdoor mile record

I don't mean that they aren't earned. There's obviously an advantage to running with competition, which Katelyn won't have running in high school only races. It can make a huge difference when you're pushed by other runners. However, I don't think it's okay to put a sophomore in high school in professional races just for times when it could hurt her long term success.

westsouthrunner wrote:

At least in distance running. Girls usually are really fast from 7-9th/10th grade then they start developing as women and they get slow/injured. Doesn't happen to all but happens alot. The general performance curve for HS Boys is an upward one and I would say your average girls performance curve would be downward. ... im just stating what i seem to notice in my years of running.

I think someone else might have noticed this and commented before.

mass a chew zits wrote: Ari Lambie won her State Meet mile in 4:37.23 in 2003, move her up a spot.

there are actually a few missing from the previous list, not the least of which is Debbie Heald's 4:38.50i from 1972 which was a women's world indoor record at the time and stood as a HS indoor record for 40 years, until it was broken by Mary Cain, 26 Jan 2013.

here's a video of Lambie's run in MA state champ's from 2003.

cheers.

Cottonshirt wrote:

mass a chew zits wrote: Ari Lambie won her State Meet mile in 4:37.23 in 2003, move her up a spot.

there are actually a few missing from the previous list, not the least of which is Debbie Heald's 4:38.50i from 1972 which was a women's world indoor record at the time and stood as a HS indoor record for 40 years, until it was broken by Mary Cain, 26 Jan 2013.

here's a video of Lambie's run in MA state champ's from 2003.

cheers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lp-qukw_9F8

And, another missing mark, is the Bromfield Indoor School record holder in the mile, Lynn Jenning 4:38.xx

The only thing I'd add regarding footspeed and tactics is that it might be good for her long-term development to work on sit-and-kick races. She's obviously fast, but can she throw down a sub-65 400 (or closer to 60?) at the end of a slow mile or 2 mile race? Might be good to experiment with that even if it costs her a couple wins along the way.

Here's our U.S. High School Girls Mile All-Time Top 10 by individual: overall and HS-only:

https://bringbackthemile.com/history/u.s._high_school_girls_mile_all_time

Bring Back the Mile wrote:

Here's our U.S. High School Girls Mile All-Time Top 10 by individual: overall and HS-only:

https://bringbackthemile.com/history/u.s._high_school_girls_mile_all_time

Nice list. Quick question though. Was Rainsbeger’s mark altitude converted? I don’t think altitude conversions should be included in the list.

Wait never mind, misread the location where the mile was run at. Good runs by these ladies.

CTFfftf wrote:

Tuohy is now already part of the top 3 HS legends

Cain

Efraimson

Tuohy

The top 2 are probably Gallagher and Decker. For a period, Gallagher held the H.S. record for the 800, 1500, mile, DMR and was the anchor for the nation's top 4x800 and 4x400 her senior year. She was also 3rd on the 5K list at one point, which she ran in trainers as a workout. In 1972, when Mary Decker ran 2:01.8 in the 800m and 4:40.1 in the mile indoors in high school at age 16, at that time, those were among the fastest times any American at any age had ever run indoors. - It's always important to have a historical perspective and place value on the passage of time.

mass a chew zits wrote: And, another missing mark, is the Bromfield Indoor School record holder in the mile, Lynn Jenning 4:38.xx

I don't have 4:38.xx for Lynn Jennings, but I do have 4:39.00 and the following list of US HS girl's miles under 4:40 is now as complete as I have time to make it.

4:24.11i Mary Cain (Bronxville HS, Bronxville, NY) 24 Jan 2014 Boston, MA Terrier Invitational

4:27.73i Mary Cain (Bronxville HS, Bronxville, NY) 15 Feb 2014 New York, NY Millrose Games

4:28.25i Mary Cain (Bronxville HS, Bronxville, NY) 16 Feb 2013 New York, NY Millrose Games

4:32.15i Alexa Efraimson (Camas, Washington) 15 Feb 2014 New York, NY Millrose Games

4:32.78i Mary Cain (Bronxville HS, Bronxville, NY) 26 Jan 2013 New York, NY New Balance Games

4:33.87 Katelyn Tuohy (North Rockland HS, Thiells, NY) 17 Jun 2018 Greensboro, NC New Balance Outdoor Nationals

4:35.24 Polly Plumer (University HS, Irvine, CA) 16 May 1982 (in an open race at UCLA)

4:36.61i Katie Rainsberger (Air Force Academy, OK) 13 Mar 2016 New York, NY New Balance Indoor Nationals (meet record, HS-Sen Record)

4:36.94 Kim Gallagher (Upper Dublin HS, Fort Washington, PA) Villanova, PA 12 Jun 1982 (open competition)

4:36.95 Sarah Bowman-Brown (Fauquier HS, Warrenton, VA) 18 Jun 2005 Greensboro, NC NSAF (see notes)

4:37.23 Arianna Lambie (Bromfield HS, Harvard, MA) 7 Jun 2003 Fall River, MA State HS Championship

4:37.91 Christina Aragon (Billings Senior HS, Billings, MT) 13 Jun 2015 New York, NY Adidas Grand Prix (HS-J Record)

4:38.46i Alexa Efraimson (Camas, Washington) 16 Mar 2014 New York, NY New Balance Indoor Nationals

4:38.48 Caitlyn Collier (Bolles HS, Jacksonville, FL) 19 May 2018 Cambridge, MA Adidas Boost Boston Games

4:38.50i Debbie Heald (Neff HS, La Mirada, CA) 17 Mar 1972 Richmond Coliseum, Richmond, VA (World indoor Record) HS-J

4:38.59 Ryen Frazier (Ravenscroft HS, Raleigh, NC) New York, NY 13 Jun 2015 New York, NY Adidas Grand Prix

4:39.00i Lynn Jennings (Bromfield HS, Harvard, MA) 1978 AAU Indoor Championship (date and venue unknown) HS-Se

4:39.05 Arianna Lambie (Bromfield HS, Harvard, MA) 14 Jun 2003 Raleigh, NC NSAF

4:39.17 Wesley Frazier (Ravenscroft HS, Raleigh, NC) 25 May 2013 New York, NY

4:39.23 Sarah Feeny (Ogden, UT) 14 Jun 2014 New York, NY

4:39.25 Danielle Tauro (Southern Regional HS, Manahawkin, NJ) 17 Jun 2006 Greensboro, NC NSAF (ex HS-J record)

4:39.28 Mary Cain (Bronxville HS, Bronxville, NY) 26 Apr 2012 Philadelphia, PA Penn Relays (HS-Soph record)

4:39.47i Kate Murphy (Lake Braddock HS, Burke, VA) 13 Mar 2016 New York, NY New Balance Indoor Nationals

4:39.66 Wesley Frazier (Ravenscroft HS, Raleigh, NC) 17 Jun 2013 Greensboro, NC NBON (see notes)

4:39.71 Brianna Felnagle (Bellarmine Prep, Tacoma, WA) 18 Jun 2005 Greensboro, NC NSAF

4:39.94 Angel Piccirillo (Homer-Centre HS, Homer City, PA) 2012 (HS-only competition)

as ever, amendments and corrections always welcome.

cheers.

Sarah Bowman and Brie Felnagle are both missing.

Sarah Bowman and Brie Felnagle are both missing.

they are actually both present and correct, but thanks for playing.

4:36.95 Sarah Bowman-Brown (Fauquier HS, Warrenton, VA) 18 Jun 2005 Greensboro, NC NSAF (see notes)

4:39.71 Brianna Felnagle (Bellarmine Prep, Tacoma, WA) 18 Jun 2005 Greensboro, NC NSAF

cheers.

That MAY apply to girls. but in no way applies to boys.

rojo wrote:

Combined 1500/1600/mile list (expressed as miles):

4:24.19+ *Cain 2013

4:26.82+ *Efraimson 2014

4:26.99+ *Murphy 2016

4:28.61+ Aragon 2016

4:31.03+ Cranny 2014

4:32.83+ Rainsberger 2016

4:33.87 Tuohy 2018

What about Efraimson's 4:03 1500m in HS? That's not faster than a 4:26 mile?

Triple jump is a good way to injure distance runners. If you really want to develope their speed pit then in a sprinting event not a jumping one?

Wellll wrote:

the truth hurtzzzz wrote:

But he's right...

Cain hasn't been anywhere close to what she did back in 2013-2014. Slower times and injury. It's already been 4 years at this point.

Katelyn Tuohy is NOT Mary Cain...

Different build, different technical skills. Fit as heck. Hard as nails. This girl is a real star

Dola Sudd wrote:

Here's the race video. Lead straight from the gun and never looked back.

Good lord that announcer is annoying. It's like reading an email written in all caps. Where is Paul Swangard when you need him?

Here’s a little more info about Tuohy’s strength/running training.

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/709808002?__twitter_impression=true

She trains hard,

"it's the quality that matters". Three hours a week in the pool, lot's of strength, pretty serious stuff for a 15 year old.