It's Official: Mo vs. Rupp Chicago in Chicago With Pacers

So if Rupp wins AND sets the AR, will the Rupp-haters FINALLY shut the f* up?

He's already run really fast and beaten faster (by PRs) runners and that wasn't enough to shut them up, so I'm guessing a Chicago win and beating Mo wouldn't either.

Scorpion_runner wrote:

Scorpion_runner wrote:

I think that should be the other way around my friend. I don't think Rupp wins silver at 10000m, or even wins the bronze in the marathon without Mo. Mo controlled every race that he won, no matter if he was in the back or in the front, Mo controlled the tempo, and Rupp just followed along.

I still think Rupp lucked up on the silver, and he only came in 7th place in the 5000m. He couldn't hang, and Mo took gold.

Saying that Rupp helped Mo win all the those titles is just pure fandom ----I will not say idiotic, and disrespect you like most people on this site who have inferiority complexes.

Mo made Rupp. Rupp didn't make Mo.

And when i say he helped rupp win bronze at the olympics( marathon), I'm referring to pushing him in training.

Sorry but I say BS to that. I think Mo never respected Rupp, and I have no idea what Rupp thinks of him. But Rupp has trained consistently at a high level for many many years, with and without Mo. Rupp's marathon success has very little to do with Mo. All Mo wants is more adulation from the crowds I'm afraid.

And I absolutely stand by the assertion that Rupp is the better marathoner mainly because I think Rupp is more willing to suffer longer as required by a marathon. It seems to me that Mo is running marathons not because he loves running them -- he needs the crowds for motivation. By contrast, GOAT Kipchoge seems built for the race, and always seems like he just keep going to 30 miles or more...

Anyway, I hope both are in prime condition for the race.

Fentrekker wrote:

goat vs. goat wrote:

Greatest marathon of all time coming up?

I am a provisional fan of both Mo and Rupp, but I can't see this as a race for the ages. Firstly, Chicago has a boring course. Secondly, Chicago's boring course is only more boring when the race is scripted by pacers.

Yeah, because London, Berlin, and Dubai have such more interesting courses. Oh, and they're not scripted at all by pacemakers either.

goat vs. goat wrote:

Greatest marathon of all time coming up?

Is this a joke? Do you work for BOA or Nike? I LOVE the matchup and the sport needs rivalries. It used to be we heard how these guys were great friends, playing video games, then we didn't hear much. Is their a rivalry? Bad blood? It makes it WAY more interesting.

rare wrote:

I think pacers give Mo the advantage, but we'll see.

Why? I think the rabbit help Rupp if anything. Mo is the greatest tactical championship distance runner arguably in history. If anyone would want it to turn into a 10k, it would be Mo. We KNOW for a fact Mo is way way better at 10k. We don't know who is a better marathoner.

MeHereYouWhere?! wrote:

So if Rupp wins AND sets the AR, will the Rupp-haters FINALLY shut the f* up?

2) No they will never shut up. Isn't that obvious?

There will be always be a decent amount of the distance running nerds who will no matter what Rupp achieves wonder if it was legitimately achieved or pharmalogically enhanced.

Plus the whole setup of this race will bother some purists just like Rupp's whole career does. Some even if they think Rupp is clean think his whole career - testoboost in HS, underwater treadmills, altitude tents, anti-gravity treadmills, only running Rupp certified courses, - is too sterile and manufactured.

Rupp didn't want to go to Oregon until he did. He was fine with Chicago not having rabbits until he wasn't.

But I'm pumped for this race.

And to be honest, Rupp reminds me so much of Lance. The more he races the more I think exactly what I thought about Lance late in his career "Is there actually some chance he's clean? I mean why would he risk coming back to the TDF at all if he was dirty."

Now we know how it all turned out for Lance but I had the exact same thought about Rupp recently that I did with Lance.

MeHereYouWhere?! wrote:

So if Rupp wins AND sets the AR, will the Rupp-haters FINALLY shut the f* up?

He's already run really fast and beaten faster (by PRs) runners and that wasn't enough to shut them up, so I'm guessing a Chicago win and beating Mo wouldn't either.

The Rupp haters have preemptively accepted the fact that Rupp will get the AR in Chicago. That is why so many have moved on to him being afraid to run London and Berlin against Kipchoge, Kipsang, etc.

I'll take random Ethiopian winning in 2:04-something.

NOP Skeptic wrote:

Fentrekker wrote:

I am a provisional fan of both Mo and Rupp, but I can't see this as a race for the ages. Firstly, Chicago has a boring course. Secondly, Chicago's boring course is only more boring when the race is scripted by pacers.

Yeah, because London, Berlin, and Dubai have such more interesting courses. Oh, and they're not scripted at all by pacemakers either.

There is nothing scripted about pacemakers. It forces all runners to RUN, and the runner with the best endurance wins.

Sit and kick races, or non -paced races are more scripted, because you know who the kickers are, and who is going to win with 5 miles to go.

In a blazing race, you don't know who the casualties will be, and something unexpected always happens : Adola hanging with Kipchoge. Kipsang DNFing. Wanjurui outlasting Bekele.

Same thing on the track: No pacers, runners all bunched together, I already know how it is going to end with 800m to go. the kickers are going to take over and turn it into a 400m race.

No one wants to see a 10k or 5k marathon. I want to see runners running from beginning to end.

vivalarepublica wrote:

I'll take random Ethiopian winning in 2:04-something.

exactly.

Les wrote:

Whipp wrote:

When did Rupp beat Farah? In a qualifying heat at a championship?

An indoor mile where Farah fell. Rupp has never actually beaten Farah straight up.

If Rupp had fallen and Farah won that race, would you count that as a victory for Farah over Rupp?

LOL. You just made a lot of stuff up. We don't know how they feel about each other.

Also, You do realize that Mo suffered in the heat at London, carb drink issues, and he still ran 2:06! And was running side by side of Kipchoge while most of the top runners were dropped.

Rupp ran a weak prague marathon with no major players. yeah, he ran 2:06....But Mo's was greater.

I don't know what the hell is going to happen in chicago, because it will be run by Nike, and both runners are NOP boys. Let me know when Rupp runs London or Berlin

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YESSSSSSS

I’m as skeptical as anyone of both these dudes... but that being said, I’m stoked for this. Hope it pays off and both show up healthy.

Nike should step up the rivalry angle, Dan and Dave style.

Mo to throw out the first pitch at the White Sox game this weekend.

London, Berlin and Dubai are equally boring races to many of us. I don't know how long you have been watching marathons. I saw my first in 1967. Are you seriously claiming that paced races are unscripted? I will concur that you don't know who will win any particular race (paced or not), and as far as that goes, I don't really care who wins as much as I care how the race plays out. Paced races sometimes have drama, but often they do not. I think what is ruining the marathon is this obsession with speed and time. Why do we judge a race based on the finishing time and the fact that the drama is established within the context of pacing? Quite frankly, paced races privilege one type of runner. I would much rather an even playing field in which the guys who thought they had a better chance with a 4:40 pace bore the responsibility of taking that on themselves. The primary source if interest in any sport is that one does not know what will happen. Un-paced events have a greater chance of playing out differently from one year to the next. I have seen every Boston Marathon since '67. Some years a lone wolf takes it from middle and wins by a mile. Other years we have nail-biting close finishes, such as Rodgers versus Wells in '78, or Salazar and Beardsley in '82. Each way the race plays out is somewhat unique and interesting within the context of the day. There has been drama at the flat, paced races you mention--Chicago, London, Berlin, and Dubai--but the scope of variety is vastly smaller and for my money, vastly less interesting.

Rojo, how could you possibly compare Rupp to Lance? Armstrong is the poster child for extreme Type A, Alpha Male who would stop at nothing at achieve his goals. Rupp has none of that. I'm convinced that Rupp's deep and seemingly sincere Christian faith and family has prevented him from straight-up doping. Rupp knows he would bring extreme shame on his family in addition to himself, and that would never be acceptable. Rupp is the proverbial choir boy of elite running.

LA respected nobody but the few racers he felt worthy of being respected by him....

DC Wonk wrote:

Rojo, how could you possibly compare Rupp to Lance? Armstrong is the poster child for extreme Type A, Alpha Male who would stop at nothing at achieve his goals. Rupp has none of that. I'm convinced that Rupp's deep and seemingly sincere Christian faith and family has prevented him from straight-up doping. Rupp knows he would bring extreme shame on his family in addition to himself, and that would never be acceptable. Rupp is the proverbial choir boy of elite running.

LA respected nobody but the few racers he felt worthy of being respected by him....

As if being Christian means being honest....ha!

I wouldn’t be surprised…if it was a ploy

DC Wonk wrote:

Rojo, how could you possibly compare Rupp to Lance? Armstrong is the poster child for extreme Type A, Alpha Male who would stop at nothing at achieve his goals. Rupp has none of that. I'm convinced that Rupp's deep and seemingly sincere Christian faith and family has prevented him from straight-up doping. Rupp knows he would bring extreme shame on his family in addition to himself, and that would never be acceptable. Rupp is the proverbial choir boy of elite running.

LA respected nobody but the few racers he felt worthy of being respected by him....

what i cant get is the never ending hate the brojos have for rupp and al sal.....but are on the fence about kenyans doping hahaha

Scorpion_runner wrote:

vivalarepublica wrote:

I'll take random Ethiopian winning in 2:04-something.

exactly.

Yeah, just like last year...NOT!

If good weather/pacing, I got:

Rupp: 2:03:50

Farah: 2:05:30

Les wrote:

Whipp wrote:

When did Rupp beat Farah? In a qualifying heat at a championship?

An indoor mile where Farah fell. Rupp has never actually beaten Farah straight up.

Not tripping is somewhat of a skill that can be practiced.