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Title of this thread should be "my doctor and I know nothing about the use of testosterone".
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mcguck wrote:
Everyone reacts different to testosterone but certain things hold true across the board. Testosterone is good for recovery not as a performance-enhancing drug for runners or cyclists. The doses at which benefits occur also bring with them side effects that negate all gains.
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mcguck wrote:
A guy on TRT wrote:
this is bull.s.
Actually, it's not, on 200mg my hematocrit rose high enough that my blood pressure and heart rate shot up during a sprint. I then had to give an emergency blood donation to get my levels down. Wasn't able to run distance until I got my dosage down below 100mg a week.
Yes, I am working with a doctor, have a legit script and get blood work done regularly.
Everyone reacts different to testosterone but certain things hold true across the board. Testosterone is good for recovery not as a performance-enhancing drug for runners or cyclists. The doses at which benefits occur also bring with them side effects that negate all gains.
Please stop. You're just talking outta your @ss.
OBVIOUSLY if you are taking bodybuilder doses of T you will not be a good runner, however the lower dosage aids with recovery and allows you to work harder, and put in more miles, maybe another day of an hard effort. There's a cumulative effect. -
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=5165306
Funny found this thread and more people experienced the same thing I did. Testosterone is good for muscle recovery but the test brings water weight and kills endurance. So it would appear I do know what I'm talking about you Whanks can go back to arguing on whos slower now. As for me, I am going to get off the test and keep ripping up the track and road. -
willy whanka wrote:
mcguck wrote:
A guy on TRT wrote:
this is bull.s.
Actually, it's not, on 200mg my hematocrit rose high enough that my blood pressure and heart rate shot up during a sprint. I then had to give an emergency blood donation to get my levels down. Wasn't able to run distance until I got my dosage down below 100mg a week.
Yes, I am working with a doctor, have a legit script and get blood work done regularly.
Everyone reacts different to testosterone but certain things hold true across the board. Testosterone is good for recovery not as a performance-enhancing drug for runners or cyclists. The doses at which benefits occur also bring with them side effects that negate all gains.
Please stop. You're just talking outta your @ss.
OBVIOUSLY if you are taking bodybuilder doses of T you will not be a good runner, however the lower dosage aids with recovery and allows you to work harder, and put in more miles, maybe another day of an hard effort. There's a cumulative effect.
I am absolutely not seeing this benefit after being on T for over 3 months now. Maybe it is age as I am in my 40s or the fact that I started off with low T. I wonder at what levels of T do you start seeing these benefits to running. -
T man wrote:
I am absolutely not seeing this benefit after being on T for over 3 months now. Maybe it is age as I am in my 40s or the fact that I started off with low T. I wonder at what levels of T do you start seeing these benefits to running.
Or, you are on a low dose so your thyroid doesn't shut down. Naaaah!!! It couldn't be that. -
mcguck wrote:
Funny found this thread and more people experienced the same thing I did. Testosterone is good for muscle recovery but the test brings water weight and kills endurance. So it would appear I do know what I'm talking about you Whanks can go back to arguing on whos slower now. As for me, I am going to get off the test and keep ripping up the track and road.
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After talking with a doctor who runs he stated its 1mg per kg of body weight for therapeutic use. He said for my weight that's 70-80mg a week. I was pushing 80 a week last week and ran better will try 70 and see how that works.
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mcguck wrote:
I am genetically predisposed to low testosterone made worse by endurance sports. At one point I had more estrogen than testosterone in my system. A doctor suggested I quit running and cycling as it was obvious the high mileage running and biking was destroying my T. Finally was convinced to see a urologist by a friend who said Testosterone would save me. I got put on Testosterone Cypionate 200mg a week. That first week felt great, I felt 15 again in all ways, went and ran a half marathon and felt like I could run so much faster. The second and third week the side effects kicked in, my heart rate shot up due to increase in red blood cells. I had to go and give emergency blood to get my hematocrit down. I started to gain weight as I started to retain water and my calves would get so pumped I couldn't finish a run. After much research, I found one post that suggested a proper dosage for runners. 100mg a week broke up into multiple shots a week. Things have gotten better but I still can't get the weight down and a run has become a chore. Seems to be the lower amount of test allows for running but doesn't do much for the other issues. It seems to me that I have to either chase after wanting to run and stay on low doses or not run and feel good on a higher dose. All I know is that if one was to dope testosterone is not the drug a runner would want to use, maybe a sprinter but surely not a marathoner.
Just my experience
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Sorry to sound suspicious of your post but I have to wonder if you actually consulted with an MD, or self medicating , or merely “thinking about it”.
T for a new user at this dosage would have no discernible effects during the first week, except for a possible placebo effect. It takes many weeks if not months for there to be any noticeable difference in how you “feel” or perform. For hematocrit to be negatively effected takes months, not days.
It goes without saying that no serious competitive endurance athlete should be using any steroids at all, but if they were to, dosages would be similar to those on medical testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and the goal would be to establish a slightly above-normal serum level (around 700-900 ng /dL).
A good doctor would titrate your dosage over at least a couple of months to find the optimal mg’s to inject, and would also monitor estradiol (E2) to monitor for increased estrogen response from the T, and then prescribe Anastrozole to balance any increased estrogen.
None of this happens in a week, or a month, unless you are a VERY, Very unusual character, as in one in a million...not at 200mg/wk.
You should not be self medicating (which is what it sound like you’re doing); not until you’ve had a doctor work with you on titration based on at least several blood test over a period of at least 8 weeks.
Just my opinion and a bit of friendly advice for you or anyone else considering the D-I-Y approach...not a wise thing to mess with any steroids unless you really know what you’re doing. -
Also, just wanted to add, for an endurance athlete, testosterone alone is not going to do much for performance. Most endurance athletes who use steroids only use testosterone as a base, and then combine it with something like Boldenone, also at very low dosage because it will increase red blood cells. A typical stack for an endurance athlete to train with would be something like 125mg testosterone per week and 200mg of Boldenone. Maximum cycle duration would be 12 weeks...BUT Boldenone has a very long half life and will cause issues with event blood testing....so, like I said, smart competitors just don’t do steroids, AT ALL.
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Testosterone is not the problem . When you’re running long distances , your body is using estrogen . Whats happening is , your injected testosterone is aromatizing into estrogen at a higher rate than normal bc of constant cardio . Hiit training and weightlifting trigger testosterone production , whereas long bouts of cardio trigger estrogen production . If you’re keeping your estrogen levels in check you should be good and have no issues whatsoever . ( between 22- 60 pg/ml) is where you wanna be . You should be using an ai (aromatase inhibitor) like anastrozole . Usually 1mg per 100 mg of test . That should keep your levels in check .
