You could argue it's the worst pacemaking ever, but has a women's 1500 ever gone out sub 60?
Tsegay went out with rabbits and held on for win. Amazing she held on.
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First time ever a women's 1500 has gone out sub 60? 59.96 for 1st 400 in Stockholm
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Turns out it had been done 25 years ago!
https://twitter.com/pjvazel/status/1005851759724711936
video here:
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No, the first 400 in Qu Yunxia’s former WR was a 57.
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F*ck me didn’t read the second post.
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wejo wrote:
Turns out it had been done 25 years ago!
https://twitter.com/pjvazel/status/1005851759724711936
video here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuOSbU4N-AE
That's what EPO or turtle soup can do for you; enable you to go through 400m not far off 800WR pace, and carry on to break a long standing drug aided mark by 2 secs!
What was Tsegay's 400 and 800 splits today? With more even splits she would probably have run 3:54.5 - 3:55.0.
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I like to see runners testing their limits. Going out the first lap (400m) of a 1500m five or six seconds slower than one's 400m PB every now and then is ok. When Filbert Bayi went out the first 400m, 1974 Christchurch in 54.xx, I am sure that was five or six seconds slower than his 400m PB. When one goes out eight to ten seconds slower than their 400m PB a few weeks later, it will feel much easier (1500m).
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When Mary Decker broke the indoor 1500 world record in 1980, she ran the first lap in 60.3, and that was without a pacemaker.
https://www.si.com/vault/1980/02/18/824380/hail-the-conquering-heroine-to-the-plaudits-of-the-millrose-games-crowd-that-had-cheered-her-to-a-world-mark-in-the-1500-mary-decker-triumphantly-tours-the-garden -
* Meant first 1/4 mile, not lap.
I Love the 80's wrote:
When Mary Decker broke the indoor 1500 world record in 1980, she ran the first lap in 60.3, and that was without a pacemaker.
https://www.si.com/vault/1980/02/18/824380/hail-the-conquering-heroine-to-the-plaudits-of-the-millrose-games-crowd-that-had-cheered-her-to-a-world-mark-in-the-1500-mary-decker-triumphantly-tours-the-garden -
We're talking about a lot of doers in this thread.
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I Love the 80's wrote:
When Mary Decker broke the indoor 1500 world record in 1980, she ran the first lap in 60.3, and that was without a pacemaker.
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By show of hands, how many people on this board ran the first lap of a 1500m at sub 57.5 pace (...and first 300m in 42.6)?
Jakob has not achieved that yet. Look at his Oslo race. Single file at 300m with guys such as Andrews, O'Hare in the field... and Jakob was not at 42.6 pace. In the Chinese race, the girls were still running in a pack at that pace.
https://youtu.be/Cb-TFsQfnw4
Not enough turtle juice in China for 5 foot 3 women to achieve that.
Any [email protected] can see that these women are not running at the same pace as Jakob in Oslo
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Rihnfdcjincfdhiu wrote:
By show of hands, how many people on this board ran the first lap of a 1500m at sub 57.5 pace (...and first 300m in 42.6)?
Jakob has not achieved that yet. Look at his Oslo race. Single file at 300m with guys such as Andrews, O'Hare in the field... and Jakob was not at 42.6 pace. In the Chinese race, the girls were still running in a pack at that pace.
https://youtu.be/Cb-TFsQfnw4
Not enough turtle juice in China for 5 foot 3 women to achieve that.
Any [email protected] can see that these women are not running at the same pace as Jakob in Oslo
They simply started on the wrong line.
Um, how tall do you think world-class women track stars need to be?
Tirunesh Dibaba is 5'3". Meseret Defar is 5'1". And so on. -
sconehead wrote:
[quote]Rihnfdcjincfdhiu wrote:
By show of hands, how many people on this board ran the first lap of a 1500m at sub 57.5 pace (...and first 300m in 42.6)?
Jakob has not achieved that yet. Look at his Oslo race. Single file at 300m with guys such as Andrews, O'Hare in the field... and Jakob was not at 42.6 pace. In the Chinese race, the girls were still running in a pack at that pace.
Not enough turtle juice in China for 5 foot 3 women to achieve that.
Any [email protected] can see that these women are not running at the same pace as Jakob in Oslo
They simply started on the wrong line.[/q]
Um, how tall do you think world-class women track stars need to be?
Tirunesh Dibaba is 5'3". Meseret Defar is 5'1". And so on.
?? Dibaba and Defar have gone out in 42.6 in a 1500m (faster than Jakob, Andrews.... ever have)?
I didn't know that they had sub 3:36 potential
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The pack of contenders was more like 62 point.
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Reminds me of 2013 Monaco when the pacers went out in 52.95
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wejo wrote:
You could argue it's the worst pacemaking ever, but has a women's 1500 ever gone out sub 60?
Tsegay went out with rabbits and held on for win. Amazing she held on.
http://www.letsrun.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Screenshot-2018-06-10-at-10.56.481.png
I reckon the London Marathon this year was worse. Wasn't that quicker than 10,000m world record pace for the first mile? -
I looked it up.
4:22 mile (27:08 pace, so not world record, but close to 10,000m pace and perhaps faster for a few of them). -
My first, I went through in 65 and didn't hold that pace. Note even close to it. But I am just a hobby jogger.
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Rihnfdcjincfdhiu wrote:
By show of hands, how many people on this board ran the first lap of a 1500m at sub 57.5 pace (...and first 300m in 42.6)?
Jakob has not achieved that yet. Look at his Oslo race. Single file at 300m with guys such as Andrews, O'Hare in the field... and Jakob was not at 42.6 pace. In the Chinese race, the girls were still running in a pack at that pace.
https://youtu.be/Cb-TFsQfnw4
Not enough turtle juice in China for 5 foot 3 women to achieve that.
Any [email protected] can see that these women are not running at the same pace as Jakob in Oslo
They simply started on the wrong line.
If you are looking for a show of hands, when I was a freshman in college at my first outdoor meet my coach had the bright idea to put me on the last leg of a D1 4x1500m relay. I think the reason was that he felt the faster guys on the team would run better at the front. The nerves were eating me inside when I realized my senior teammates were going to put me in the lead ahead of some pretty good runners and teams. My coach claimed he had me on the first lap at 57 sec and 2:04 at 800m, my PRs were only ~1:58 and ~4:20 mile. Needless to say I died pretty bad and ended up 5th or something. If I had just accepted that I was going to get out kicked I probably would have run a much better race -
I have done it twice. I followed a pacer in 56 and eventually got passed by the most of the field and ran 3:45. 56/156/2:58/3:45. I had run 1;49 earlier that week.
Another received the baton in an indoor DMR with a big lead...did the stupidest thing I could do....and blew up big time. 56/2:00/3:04/4:10. Had raced hard the night before and had tired legs
It's tough to hold on when you go out over your head.
