Official 2018 NCAA Outdoors Day 3 Discussion Thread

Wow can't believe what i'm seeing today with USC, how can collegiate talent be this good. Professionals who dedicate their lives to this stuff would be hard pressed to match.

Two thoughts.

1. Was there something more to these conditions then meets the eye?

2. Maybe full time dedication to these running events isn't necessary to perform at an elite level. Maybe professional runners should get day jobs on the side. I'm thinking about that Boston Marathon winner who works a 9-5 job lol. And likely these athletes are dedicating 20-30 hours a week with their studies.

Mind blown

Anyone notice that Mclaughlin and Isiah Harris had duct tape over the Under Armor and Nike logos on their backpacks while Kerr did not? What’s the deal there? Potential sponsors?

At Hayward they make you tape over logos if they are over a certain size. They also don’t let you have more than one logo per sock and a bunch of other stupid rules.

No wrote:

At Hayward they make you tape over logos if they are over a certain size. They also don’t let you have more than one logo per sock and a bunch of other stupid rules.

NCAA logo regulations. Nothing to do with Hayward.

nofacetimber wrote:

Wow can't believe what i'm seeing today with USC, how can collegiate talent be this good. Professionals who dedicate their lives to this stuff would be hard pressed to match.

Two thoughts.

1. Was there something more to these conditions then meets the eye?

2. Maybe full time dedication to these running events isn't necessary to perform at an elite level. Maybe professional runners should get day jobs on the side. I'm thinking about that Boston Marathon winner who works a 9-5 job lol. And likely these athletes are dedicating 20-30 hours a week with their studies.

Mind blown

The simple answer is that these kids devote nearly no time or effort to school and all to track. Huge props to Stanford for having two guys do so well in the 5k, but its pretty clear that kids who tend to improve a lot in any event does not go to a school like Stanford or the Ivy League. And kids that do put a lot of effort into school from any school (like Ben Saarel) definitely do not preform to expectations (although Saarel might be a bad example because I know he has other health problems). The truth is that people like Norman are at USC to run, not to study. This is true for nearly every athlete whose reach the highest level of college athletics. I can guarantee you 95+ percent of athletes who make it to Eugene dedicate less than 20 hours a week of work to their studies.

Is it because of NCAA campus regulations? I have had to tape stuff during the US Championships there as well. That would make it seem to be a facility thing.

No wrote:

Is it because of NCAA campus regulations? I have had to tape stuff during the US Championships there as well. That would make it seem to be a facility thing.

NCAA regs (

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Section 7 •

Logo Policy

[Reference: Bylaws 12.5.4, 31.1.7 and 31.1.8 in the NCAA Division I Manual, Bylaw 12.5.4 in the NCAA Division II

Manual and Bylaw 12.5.3 in the NCAA Division III Manual.]

A student-athlete may use athletics equipment or wear athletics apparel that bears the trademark or logo of an athletics

equipment or apparel manufacturer or distributor in athletics competition and pre- and postgame activities (e.g., celebrations on the court, pre- or postgame press conferences), provided the following criteria are met:

1.

Athletics equipment (e.g., shoes, helmets, baseball bats and gloves, batting or golf gloves, hockey and lacrosse sticks,

goggles and skis) shall bear only the manufacturer’s normal label or trademark, as it is used on all such items for sale

to the general public; and

2.

The student-athlete’s institution’s official uniform (including numbered racing bibs and warm-ups) and all other items

of apparel (e.g., socks, head bands, T-shirts, wrist bands, visors or hats, swim caps and towels) shall bear only a

single manufacturer’s or distributor’s normal label or trademark (regardless of the visibility of the label or trademark),

not to exceed 2¼ square inches in area (rectangle, square, parallelogram) including any additional material (e.g.,

patch) surrounding the normal trademark or logo. The student-athlete’s institution’s official uniform and all other items

of apparel shall not bear a design element similar to the manufacturer’s trademark/logo that is in addition to another

trademark/logo that is contrary to the size restriction.

USATF rules:

The size or number of logos on athletes’ attire shall be restricted only when required by the IAAF or USOC. (Rule 143)

So, if you competed at an Olympic Trials or the IAAF World Juniors at Hayward...

blamb61 wrote:

malmo wrote:

Your ignorant. Water vapor is less dense that dry (80% nitrogen 20% oxygen )

Do the math genious.

I looked it up. You are right.

Nice apology to the guy you didn't try to insult.

Additionally, Rojo, rain will fill in the gaps on the track itself. Water does not compress, which means it makes the track faster. You don't want huge puddles, but if you can fill in the gaps with even a couple hundredths of an inch of water you are going to get better energy transfer. The conditions today were exceptional for all of the runners.

Most of the time I come to this forum to dip my toe in the pool of public opinion and leave feeling like I stuck my foot in the toilet. I’ve read all kinds of crap on this site that took me through a spectrum of emotions but I typically move on. This time I’ve been rubbed wrong so I couldn’t allow this comment go uncontested. I would like to see some evidence to back up you statement “these kids devote nearly no not time to school” or are you just another academic elitist that thinks you know everything?

How the hell do you know what “these kids” do on their campuses? The young men and women I coach take real classes and study. I’m sure most track coaches have similar situations no matter the institution. True, some of the the student-athletes don’t have the strongest academic foundation and have to learn to be a student but most give it all they have all while dealing with the demands of practice, competition and travel. The usually do this to the tune of 20 hours a week studying

Not everyone can go to Stanford or an Ivy nor should they, but math is math and science is science no matter the institution so please stop making guarantees that you know the academic rigor experienced of 95% of the people that make it to the championship . Also, many athletes I work with take the opportunity to earn a degree seriously because they know that but for the opportunity though their running ability they wouldn’t get wouldn’t have access to higher education. Please spear us your elitist BS and post on what you really know.

The average student studies about 14-16 hours per week. Athletes in the NCAA average more hours studying because they are monitored more and they graduate at higher rates, outside of football and men's basketball. That being said, generally speaking, pro athletes perform better than college athletes in all events at the top, but the depth in the collegiate ranks is remarkable and sprinters often get very close to the top pros. If you look at athletes elsewhere by their listed ages, you'll see that many of the best in the world are 24 or under, which means that they are the right age for the NCAA. So, NCAA athletes are the right age to peak on the track at every distance below 10k. Arguably, the NCAA holds back the distance runners from reaching their peak at those ages because it makes them compete more often and rarely with the best conditions, pacers, and competition, which is why out of season times are better than in season times (for example, Lagat or Wheating's 3:30s after their seasons, or other faster times than Kerr's by Willis and others. All that being said, the NCAA gets sprinters in the age range of their possible lifetime peaks; the sprinters have fantastic facilities, training partners, and weight machines--partly because of football--plus a number of top coaches at places like USC, Houston, and Florida, all of which can be difficult for them to attain after college; they have meals and housing provided for them, so they don't have to work or spend time for them; the possibility if they take it of getting plenty of rest near their training facilities; and they have the camaraderie of a team and competitions set up for them along with their travel arrangements. So, they have a lot of available advantages over the pros, along with some disadvantages. But the reason they ran so well was not the rain. All kinds of bad performances take place in the rain throughout the season. This is an historically good sprinting group this year, peaked for their champs with no reason to hold back for a world or Olympic competition.

It is slower to run in the rain because you have to run through the rain and the track is slippery. If you think seriously that water is less dense than air, try setting records running in the deep end of a pool.

A cubic foot of water weighs approximately 62 lbs, while a cubic foot of air weighs approximately 0.08 lbs. And humid air is a lot tougher to run in, at least for distance runners, because you can't dissipate much of your heat.

Typically the sprinters do better due to drugs. Last few years there has been some new drug regimen for the 400 distances.

Too bad that Knight is a Stanford engineer. He can’t figure out that is further when you are not in the inside. He also can’t figure out that you should be in the lead at the bell. A sociology major at a no-name school should help him with the math.

No surprises here. Scored the conferences

Sec

B10

B12

Pac12

Acc

American

Mt west

Conference USA

Predictor wrote:

Too bad that Knight is a Stanford engineer. He can’t figure out that is further when you are not in the inside. He also can’t figure out that you should be in the lead at the bell. A sociology major at a no-name school should help him with the math.

Too bad that you are an idiot.

Point taken. Fisher on the brain but Knight on the fingertips.