Jakob Ingebrigtsen 3,36,06

Faster than Jim Ryun's junior best of 3:36.1.

Not as fast as Reyes Estevez' 3:35.51 as a junior.

wt5ywju wrote:

Coevett wrote:

Great performance. He was impeded by the Kenyan pacemaker and then blocked in the home straight, otherwise he would have likely pipped O'Hare in 3:35.

Just over one second outside the world u18 record in these conditions. He will likely break it later in the season.

Full of praise for Jakob :) Good.

But if he was Kenyan? Doper, age cheat, etc.

A pot calling the kettle Kenyan

Nothing personal but Jakob seems a little

pudgy for the mile.

It's odd how posts on this board that contain multiple levels of quotes are reliably not worth reading.

Henrik is now the worst Ingebrigtsen, nowhere to be seen in that mile.

Let’s Run white hope. Lol

Phat chances

Back to age cheating... it’s an “if a tree falls in the forest and nobody sees or hears it, did it really fall” situation.

In Kenya’s case, the infrastructure isn’t reliable or developed enough to provide birth certificates in a timely manner. So it takes them 2-3 years. Maybe longer if you’re born in a very poor and secluded region. So, is an athlete age cheating when they are told their whole life they were born in certain year based on the government provided document? I say no. If you have issues, write to your Congressperson to help develop Kenya and stomp out the corruption.

No athlete from Norway has ever cheated. That's sarcasm. Even his brother is considered likely doping by WADA. Oh no! Fake news!!! It's a witch hunt!

fishyfishy wrote:

Norwegians can't even get the height of the barriers right in the steeplechase. How do you know this kid's birth certificate is accurate?!

I think you're on to something here...

Ehso wrote:

Say huh? wrote:

What exactly do you classify as a "world beater"? A 17yo just ran 3:52, almost walking down manangoi. He's beaten the Olympic gold medalist twice. Can you be further specific in what your definition might entail? He took an American Olympian and U.K. Olympian to the line today.

It would definitely involve being able to beat international also-rans like O’Hare and Robby.

A beat down on Paul Chelimo, Souileman, Murphy, and Birgen isn't enough? Tough crowd.

Ehso wrote:

Say huh? wrote:

What exactly do you classify as a "world beater"? A 17yo just ran 3:52, almost walking down manangoi. He's beaten the Olympic gold medalist twice. Can you be further specific in what your definition might entail? He took an American Olympian and U.K. Olympian to the line today.

It would definitely involve being able to beat international also-rans like O’Hare and Robby.

Yes, it was a good run from Jakob. But how can you say that performance makes him a world beater? It's insanity. The 1500m was the B race at this meet. Is Robbie Andrews a world beater then, because he beat Jakob? Or O'Hare?

And Jakob did not almost run down Manangoi. Manangoi gave up in Eugene and cruised in the last 100m when he couldn't beat Cheryuoit.

When Jakob starts threatening Cheryuoit, who was miles clear in 3:49 whilst celebrating, then we can refer to him as a world beater.

Unbelievable level of hype from letsrun for a young phenom, as always.

Coevett wrote:

Great performance. He was impeded by the Kenyan pacemaker and then blocked in the home straight, otherwise he would have likely pipped O'Hare in 3:35.

Just over one second outside the world u18 record in these conditions. He will likely break it later in the season.

O'Hare won, and in racing "what if" is a cop out. Jakob continues to be an awe-inspiring, brilliant talent, but he didn't win, and that's the bottom line, this time. O'Hare DID WIN, and that's the bottom line this time. When Jakob wins, we will celebrate it. Not Thursday; we are celebrating his time, not a "what if" win that wasn't. Or everyone except Coevett is.

Jakob is very impressive, no one here can doubt that. Very few humans his age have run as fast as he has, that's a fact end of story. Is he currently a world beater? No but he defeated a significantly older Chelimo and many people on these boards love him. He has shown that he has the ability to possibly become a world beater. Remember Farah at age 17? No because he was a nobody for many years past that. Just take his performances for what they are. And if you say 3:52 isn't impressive you're talking out of your rear.

O'Hare WON -- that's the bottom line wrote:

Coevett wrote:

Great performance. He was impeded by the Kenyan pacemaker and then blocked in the home straight, otherwise he would have likely pipped O'Hare in 3:35.

Just over one second outside the world u18 record in these conditions. He will likely break it later in the season.

O'Hare won, and in racing "what if" is a cop out. Jakob continues to be an awe-inspiring, brilliant talent, but he didn't win, and that's the bottom line, this time. O'Hare DID WIN, and that's the bottom line this time. When Jakob wins, we will celebrate it. Not Thursday; we are celebrating his time, not a "what if" win that wasn't. Or everyone except Coevett is.

Actually you both have good point, and now, for fun, I am just pasting something I wrote in another post:

(For your information: a pacer is called hare in norwegian)

Jakob states about the pacers: "Scandal? Well, I am not sure if it was a scandal, but it would have been fun if the hares had done their job."

And who won the race?

Chris O'Hare.