Tim Cheruiyot Skipping Bislett Games Dream Mile To Plant Potatoes

Coevett wrote:

El Keniano wrote:

Tim lost the African Championships to his training partner Elijah Manangoi, who also beat at the commonwealth games earlier this year. Elijah seems better equipped to handle the rounds at championships.

Seems odd that a guy who is clearly a second or more quicker than his rival is beaten by him twice in major championships in one year.

Must you type something just to be seen to be typing?

Wow!

It seem odd that Cheruiyot is always beaten by Manang'oi in championships despite the former being a second faster.

It seems odd?

Fried, boiled, roasted, etc... wrote:

Coevett wrote:

Seems odd that a guy who is clearly a second or more quicker than his rival is beaten by him twice in major championships in one year.

I think how you prepare and eat your potatoes has a lot to do with it.

The real secret is in the "peas" and "carrots."

NativeSon wrote:

Coevett wrote:

Seems odd that a guy who is clearly a second or more quicker than his rival is beaten by him twice in major championships in one year.

Must you type something just to be seen to be typing?

Wow!

It seem odd that Cheruiyot is always beaten by Manang'oi in championships despite the former being a second faster.

It seems odd?

It does, given they are training partners. I doubt if rounds is the sole reason. Maybe Elijah is better tactically or is better at peaking, but yes, it's odd when they have the same coach. Seems to be a failing of David Ouma. When Ovett beat Coe over 800 9n Moscow, Coe was 1.5 seconds faster on paper but probably more like 0.5 seconds faster in reality ( in 1980). Yet it still took a horrendous tactical race from him to lose.

And yes, it is suspicious with all the doping fails, and now more scrutiny of Kenyans at major championships, and with the homegrown potatoes and peas and carrots stuff, that Tim is not at his best when it counts. What next? 3:26 at Monaco next year then bronze behind Jakob and Elijah at the World's?

Coevett wrote:

It does, given they are training partners. I doubt if rounds is the sole reason. Maybe Elijah is better tactically or is better at peaking, but yes, it's odd when they have the same coach. Seems to be a failing of David Ouma. When Ovett beat Coe over 800 9n Moscow, Coe was 1.5 seconds faster on paper but probably more like 0.5 seconds faster in reality ( in 1980). Yet it still took a horrendous tactical race from him to lose.

And yes, it is suspicious with all the doping fails, and now more scrutiny of Kenyans at major championships, and with the homegrown potatoes and peas and carrots stuff, that Tim is not at his best when it counts. What next? 3:26 at Monaco next year then bronze behind Jakob and Elijah at the World's?

Once again you show that you know nothing about training or racing.

Coevett wrote:

ex-runner wrote:

You don't know anything about running.

Please stop posting about running on a running website and find somewhere where they like to indulge in more general racism.

They are training partners. From the description of it, it seems more likely that Elijah was able to outkick him in a tactical slow race.

You don't know anything about running. You admit in another thread that you think it's a 'crap sport' that only people with no co-ordination compete in. You are completely ignorant about the history of your own event, the 800m, as one of your posts on the Moscow 1980 final hilariously demonstrated.

You do know a lot about doping, however.

You don't know anything about running.

You might be old enough to have watched the 1980 Olympics on TV, but that doesn't for even a moment mean you know anything at all about athletics. You have literally no idea. You demonstrate this time and time again and I'm not talking about the doping stuff. I'm talking about what you actually know about even middle level athletics let alone top level.

A 3:29 runner beating a 3:28 guy in championship races is a non-story.

I used to beat guys up to two seconds quicker than me over 800m routinely. There are so many elements to championship racing of which you don't have even the faintest idea about. Stick to parkruns.

It's incredible how open the Kenyans are these days about their drug use, boasting about it on social media.

"Planting potatoes" is code for "micro dosing".

You're probably just some club runner doing all-comers track meets. You claimed to be some hot shot UK National level runner but when asked to identify yourself - you refuse. So, I don't take you seriously - anyone can say anything they want about themselves on an anonymous discussion forum. Lol.

To be perfectly honest I don't care what you think. My personal life is mine.

All that is relevant is that Coevett doesn't know shite about athletics.

The fact he thinks that an athlete losing to another athlete who is SLIGHTLY slower ON PAPER IN A CHAMPIONSHIP is at all noteworthy says it all and the guys here who know about running know what I'm saying is 100% true.

In addition, Tim and Elijah are actually both 3:28 runners so one is technically only a negligible .4 secs slower.

Coevett wrote:

El Keniano wrote:

Tim lost the African Championships to his training partner Elijah Manangoi, who also beat at the commonwealth games earlier this year. Elijah seems better equipped to handle the rounds at championships.

Seems odd that a guy who is clearly a second or more quicker than his rival is beaten by him twice in major championships in one year.

Something obviously unheard of for Coedeppe, that the places in competition are not awarded according to the PBs going into the meet.

Some occasions where the Gold medalist has had a weaker PB (including mile equivalents) than the Silver medalist:

1968 Olympics

1972 Olympics

1977 World Cup

1983 World Champs

1984 Olympics

1987 World Champs

1988 Olympics

1989 World Cup

1992 World Cup

2000 Olympics

2006 World Cup

2014 World (now Continental) Cup

2016 Olympics

Especially during the Golden British Era of middle distance running there must have been something wrong. The only possible answer here seems to be: Drugs. Maybe along with age cheating.

said88 wrote:

Coevett wrote:

Seems odd that a guy who is clearly a second or more quicker than his rival is beaten by him twice in major championships in one year.

Something obviously unheard of for Coedeppe, that the places in competition are not awarded according to the PBs going into the meet.

Some occasions where the Gold medalist has had a weaker PB (including mile equivalents) than the Silver medalist:

1968 Olympics

1972 Olympics

1977 World Cup

1983 World Champs

1984 Olympics

1987 World Champs

1988 Olympics

1989 World Cup

1992 World Cup

2000 Olympics

2006 World Cup

2014 World (now Continental) Cup

2016 Olympics

Especially during the Golden British Era of middle distance running there must have been something wrong. The only possible answer here seems to be: Drugs. Maybe along with age cheating.

Hahaha

Coevett wrote:

Only two Kenyans in the top 5 at 800m. No Kenyan in the top 5 at 5000m.

The price of a good cup of English breakfast tea is going up and up in Kenya, and times are going down and down. :(

Correct numbers from Coedeppe - some rarity. Indeed, two Kenyans in top 5 at 800m. OK, also Nr. 6, 7, 9 and 10. - so, 6 Kenyans in top 10. But for sure 2 in 5 sounds better for him so in this case it obviously seemed acceptable for him to go for top 5 here. No Kenyan in top 5 at 5000m? Also correct, wow! What's the nationality of Nr. 6? Any guesses...? Some small hint: It's not GB.

And why to list that there are 8 (+1 running for USA) Kenyans in top 15 in the steeple?

El Keniano wrote:

In addition, Tim and Elijah are actually both 3:28 runners so one is technically only a negligible .4 secs slower.

Come on, .39 seconds difference in the PB for someone like Coedeppe obviously is enough evidence that the faster "guy clearly is a second or more quicker than his rival". Why staying with facts, when fantasy numbers just fit better with the point you want to "prove". (Btw., i have no clue what's the point here at all, but maybe I don't have to understand this).

Unfortunally Coedeppe is still on his mission and not yet able to think rationally. He should have been banned long time before.

Again, I don't know at all what's special that Manangoi has beaten Cheruiyot.

But the boy on mission himself has made the comparison to Ovett beating Coe in 1980.

Coe beeing 1.76 seconds faster than Ovett for him is more like 0.5 seconds (so it's acceptable that Ovett has beaten Coe).

Cheruiyot beeing 0.39 seconds faster than Manangoi for him clearly is more like 1 second or more (so it's not acceptable that Manangoi has beaten Cheruiyot).

We clearly can wait for the next lie and/or completely illogical reasoning in this never ending mission.

^ So true ?

said88 wrote:

Coedeppe -

I must have missed something on here, WTH is a Coedeppe?

said88 wrote:

Again, I don't know at all what's special that Manangoi has beaten Cheruiyot.

But the boy on mission himself has made the comparison to Ovett beating Coe in 1980.

Coe beeing 1.76 seconds faster than Ovett for him is more like 0.5 seconds (so it's acceptable that Ovett has beaten Coe).

Cheruiyot beeing 0.39 seconds faster than Manangoi for him clearly is more like 1 second or more (so it's not acceptable that Manangoi has beaten Cheruiyot).

We clearly can wait for the next lie and/or completely illogical reasoning in this never ending mission.

Coevett makes the classic logical reasoning error where he comes to his conclusions first, then does the research and tries to come up with reasoning to fit those conclusions, and then when he finds information that combats his conclusion he tries to bury, ignore or twist it to make his conclusion true.

It means that 99% of his points have no basis in reason.

Plus, he also makes the mistake of posting about a topic he doesn't even have a basic understanding of. It would be like me posting in a forum about French Renaissance art.

I don't even think you need to have had experience of being an athlete to understand half of this stuff, but he still manages to completely F it up. Drawing conclusions that make absolutely no sense such as Manangoi beating Cheryuiot in a race means Cheryuiot is doping, but Ovett beating Coe was a tactical issue.

It's mind bogglingly insane, that man couldn't come out with one coherent sentence about athletics if he spent the next 20 years reading books on it.

said88 wrote:

Some occasions where the Gold medalist has had a weaker PB (including mile equivalents) than the Silver medalist:

1968 Olympics ⬅Keino ✔

1972 Olympics ⬅Vasala ✔

1977 World Cup ⬅Ovett would set the WR

1983 World Champs ⬅Cram what???

1984 Olympics ???

1987 World Champs ✔

1988 Olympics ⬅Ereng

1989 World Cup ⬅ Bile was current world champ, Coe was past it.

1992 World Cup ???

2000 Olympics ⬅Ngengy was like 0.27 slower than El G over the mile

2006 World Cup ⬅by a whopping 0.13s

2014 World (now Continental) Cup ✔

2016 Olympics ✔

Especially during the Golden British Era of middle distance running there must have been something wrong. The only possible answer here seems to be: Drugs. Maybe along with age cheating.

No need to apologize wrote:

said88 wrote:

Some occasions where the Gold medalist has had a weaker PB (including mile equivalents) than the Silver medalist:

1968 Olympics ⬅Keino ✔

1972 Olympics ⬅Vasala ✔

1977 World Cup ⬅Ovett would set the WR

1983 World Champs ⬅Cram what???

1984 Olympics ???

1987 World Champs ✔

1988 Olympics ⬅Ereng

1989 World Cup ⬅ Bile was current world champ, Coe was past it.

1992 World Cup ???

2000 Olympics ⬅Ngengy was like 0.27 slower than El G over the mile

2006 World Cup ⬅by a whopping 0.13s

2014 World (now Continental) Cup ✔

2016 Olympics ✔

For sure it's about the PBs going into the competition. This was Coedeppe's point: Manangoi has the weaker PB (going into the meet, not career PB which we surely can't know at the moment) than Cheruiyot and still beat him - so there something very fishy is going on.

1977: Wessinghage was 8th fastest all-time and has had a 3+ seconds betterPB than Ovett - Ovett won. And now?

1983: Scott has a Mile PB of 3:47.69 and even his 1500m PB was better than Cram's 3:33.66

1988: The list was about 1500m, but also for 800m it would be correct. Cruz' PB was 3.05 seconds faster than Ereng's, but Ereng won (1500m: Elliott has had the better PB than Rono)

1989: Coe has had the better PB

1992: Birir has had better PB than Souleiman

2000: correct ...and 2.12 in the 1500m...

2006: correct!