1st article has some nuance "Mills said there were strong emotions both for and against Metcalf, and some athletes — many female, she said — who were upset that a group of male athletes had gone to administrations on their behalf without their knowledge."
https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/uw-huskies/after-mistreatment-allegations-huskies-track-team-divided-by-sudden-exit-of-coach-greg-metcalf/
2nd article makes him look way worse http://www.dailyuw.com/news/ar...3b7cc.html
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- Male athletes led push to get Greg Metcalf fired
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- RE: Male athletes led push to get Greg Metcalfe fired - in reply to Bnmn
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As a former UCSB runner, that second article is very similar to Pete Dolan's behavior. Last I heard, he is suspended as an investigation is going on. Uncertain if he will actually get the axe, but it is scary how normalized this behavior is in the NCAA.
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- RE: Male athletes led push to get Greg Metcalfe fired - in reply to Bnmn
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nice job UW male track team! i thought the female team would be the one raising complaints, but now it's our men that are offended by weight? making runners lookin real SOFT out here! congratulations on effectively killing your own track program.
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- RE: Male athletes led push to get Greg Metcalfe fired - in reply to great job idiots
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Wow so a coach can't be an actual coach anymore in this SJW abyss that exists on college campuses anymore? Getting yelled at/shamed for improper behavior//appearance is how this stuff works
Great job, morans
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- RE: Male athletes led push to get Greg Metcalfe fired - in reply to Snowflake post-millenials
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“... In the past five years, 41.7 percent of long-distance Huskies have left the program, either transferring to other schools or retiring. Forty-nine percent of UW male distance runners between 2013 and 2017 — nearly one in two — left the program before exhausting their eligibility ...”
Are there stats on how many female athletes had to seek medical treatment for their eating disorders?
Don’t minimize this.
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- RE: Male athletes led push to get Greg Metcalfe fired - in reply to Snowflake post-millenials
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Snowflake post-millenials wrote:
Wow so a coach can't be an actual coach anymore in this SJW abyss that exists on college campuses anymore? Getting yelled at/shamed for improper behavior//appearance is how this stuff works
Great job, morans
Look, it's Metcalf!
What is pretty shocking is the standard attrition rate for programs overall. Oregon and Colorado lose 1/4 of their athletes. Just seems like success at the DI level in distance running requires somewhat of a meat grinder culture in general.
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- RE: Male athletes led push to get Greg Metcalfe fired - in reply to great job idiots
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great job idiots wrote:
nice job UW male track team! i thought the female team would be the one raising complaints, but now it's our men that are offended by weight? making runners lookin real SOFT out here! congratulations on effectively killing your own track program.
I guess they place greater value on ideals and standards of conduct than winning. Sounds like a team with integrity to me. Does soft in your mind equate to having a backbone and standing up for what you believe in?
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- RE: Male athletes led push to get Greg Metcalfe fired - in reply to great job idiots
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great job idiots wrote:
nice job UW male track team! i thought the female team would be the one raising complaints, but now it's our men that are offended by weight? making runners lookin real SOFT out here! congratulations on effectively killing your own track program.
it's not their fault......... it's oprah's fault.
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- RE: Male athletes led push to get Greg Metcalfe fired - in reply to great job idiots
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great job idiots wrote:
nice job UW male track team! i thought the female team would be the one raising complaints, but now it's our men that are offended by weight? making runners lookin real SOFT out here! congratulations on effectively killing your own track program.
Settle down, angry guy. You seem to get emotional when someone calls out douche-baggery.
Gone are the days of anonymous abuse by martinet coaches who lack the ability to coach without displaying their obvious deficiency dealing with people. Basically these days:
Be a raging dick = Get called out for it.
Metcalf should exile himself from college coaching or else go apprentice himself under Rob Conner to see that, indeed, you don't have to be a douche to coach well.
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- RE: Male athletes led push to get Greg Metcalfe fired - in reply to boomer /
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Well Megan Goethals had severe eating disorder issues while there. And Katie Flood dropped a ton of weight when she had her really solid year and then dropped off the map the next when she gained some of it back. There have been scores of talented female athletes that have gone to UW and have had no success or not been able to repeat it. Christine Babcock is another who had success early then had a lot of 'injuries'.
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- RE: Male athletes led push to get Greg Metcalfe fired - in reply to MNrunner00
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MNrunner00 wrote:
Well Megan Goethals had severe eating disorder issues while there. And Katie Flood dropped a ton of weight when she had her really solid year and then dropped off the map the next when she gained some of it back. There have been scores of talented female athletes that have gone to UW and have had no success or not been able to repeat it. Christine Babcock is another who had success early then had a lot of 'injuries'.
Kendra Schaaf is another one that comes to mind. The amount of stud runners that went into a sharp decline or left the program is pretty long.
I had some raging a-hole coaches over a variety of sports in my youth. The act could bring success for awhile, but it would get old and the erosion of trust and belief would lead to a decline of the program. Simply put, if you're going to be a raging a-hole, there is a good chance that there will be consequences.
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- RE: Male athletes led push to get Greg Metcalfe fired - in reply to whistle blower
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whistle blower wrote:
I guess they place greater value on ideals and standards of conduct than winning. Sounds like a team with integrity to me. Does soft in your mind equate to having a backbone and standing up for what you believe in?
+1, well said
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- RE: Male athletes led push to get Greg Metcalfe fired - in reply to vivalarepublica
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The common phenomenon, repeated over and over at UW under Metcalfe, was the "Sophomore Sensation". Many Husky success stories, maybe even the majority, were underdeveloped High Schoolers, typically 4:15-ish milers who had only really trained a season or two. Thrown in to the meat grinder of D1 athletics, with lots of intervals and hard tempos, these few mega-talents managed to tap into their talent potential for two to four seasons before overtraining and burnout took their toll. The women had a similar trajectory, with the prerequisite of a freshman year stress fracture and redshirt. The epitome of "throwing eggs against the wall".
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- RE: Male athletes led push to get Greg Metcalfe fired - in reply to ummmmmmmm
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ummmmmmmm wrote:
it is scary how normalized this behavior is in the NCAA.
Anyone with that type of attitude and behavior should not ever be in coaching.
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- RE: Male athletes led push to get Greg Metcalfe fired - in reply to Bnmn
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Question, what if a runner is seriously overweight? Does the coach have a right, obligation, or duty to say something?
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- RE: Male athletes led push to get Greg Metcalfe fired - in reply to Wellthen
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Wellthen wrote:
Question, what if a runner is seriously overweight? Does the coach have a right, obligation, or duty to say something?
The extra weight will take care of itself or not. And if it doesn’t the kid will likely be off the team sooner rather than later. Focus on performance/outcome and training. Leave the discussion of weight to nutrionists and doctors
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- RE: Male athletes led push to get Greg Metcalfe fired - in reply to Bnmn
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I’ve led a very successful rebellion of this sort (the primary difference being that I had a fantastic successor in mind that I knew the school would be onboard with).
If you’re likening these athletes to “SJWs”, you’re misunderstanding the situation.
All a college athlete (especially of UW’s caliber) wants is to be successful. This coach had an approach that did not receive feedback from his athletes. That approach is incredibly ineffective with any training program, but especially in one where the athletes are balancing academic responsibilities with their athletic responsibilities.
His approach also lacked unconditional support. A coach’s primary function is to instill confidence in his athletes and to be a vessel for his athletes to displace their anxieties and insecurities. When a coach is manipulative and cannot be trusted, it can ruin an athlete as both a competitor and a human being (because athletes of that ability level/age place so much of their identities into their sport).
These runners are not overreacting. They are righting a wrong. They have plenty of evidence to support their claim and made the correct decision by fighting to have the coach removed.
To any athletic directors who read these boards, just because a coach has experienced some success and possibly even improved your program, that does not mean he is a good coach. If you’ve had multiple complaints from parents/athletes, you need to investigate them thoroughly. Your failure to act can lead to terrible consequences (such as injuries, eating disorders, etc...) for the athletes that are in your care.
PS - Just for clarification, I do believe it is a coaches job to point out when a runner is overweight, but there are proper and improper ways to do so.
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- RE: Male athletes led push to get Greg Metcalfe fired - in reply to Bnmn
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There are so many dip$$its sounding off here about soft kids, blah blah blah.
I know Greg.
Greg is a very charismatic man.
Greg has some serious personal issues that spilled over into his professional life.
What is being reported in the media is just the tip of the iceberg.
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- RE: Male athletes led push to get Greg Metcalfe fired - in reply to Wellthen
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Wellthen wrote:
Question, what if a runner is seriously overweight? Does the coach have a right, obligation, or duty to say something?
In general, performance is what matters here. i doubt a "seriously overweight" runner will be successful in the ncaa. i think you already know this
if you aren't the ideal weight but you're the best runner in the world, nobody cares
It's incredibly easy for a coach to sensitively say, "i know you aren't performing to your potential at the moment. here are x, y, z things that could be the problem. Also, it may be worth looking into losing some weight if you feel like that is a safe possibility for you. Perhaps we monitor what your diet and calorie intake is before doing this to be sure you are in a position to safely lose weight." etc
it's so easy to do this safely. these coaches just communicate it poorly and make it seems like it's the only option.
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