Official 2018 NCAA D1 Regional Discussion - Talk about the big surprises, positive or negative here

Yen wrote:

j walter wrote:

In the East, a little surprised that Alex Lomong didn't go through and that Daniel Kuhn nearly didn't go through, but that just lends credit to the notion that anything can happen in 800m rounds (especially two in two days).

Too bad, Alex could have had the possibility of being the first all-American in both XC and 800.

Andrea Keklak did it a couple of years ago while at Georgetown.

Yeah not only are you mixing up Lomong brothers, you're forgetting that women can also be All-Americans.

And to add to the list: Shelby Houlihan did it, as did Katie Borchers (2nd team in the 800 indoors). Surely there must be more, but apparently it only counts if you're a dude.

Yen wrote:

j walter wrote:

In the East, a little surprised that Alex Lomong didn't go through and that Daniel Kuhn nearly didn't go through, but that just lends credit to the notion that anything can happen in 800m rounds (especially two in two days).

Too bad, Alex could have had the possibility of being the first all-American in both XC and 800.

It has been done by Lopez Lomong and Nate Brannen for men.

Tony Waldrop also did it for two laps outdoors (880) and cross country.

Schiklgruber... wrote:

Tony Waldrop also did it for two laps outdoors (880) and cross country.

Add Graham Hood from Arkansas.

How about this?

Jaylen BACON SR Arkansas State 9.97 Q +0.9 3 (1)

Realidad wrote:

This was a crazy result. The kid (Frosh) runs under 45 for the first time(on a windy day) to take down a MASSIVELY talented field. What is UK doing so right?

1 Dwight ST HILLAIRE FR Kentucky 44.55 Q 1 (1) PB

2 Nathon ALLEN SO Auburn 44.76 Q 2 (1)

3 Akeem BLOOMFIELD SO Auburn 44.90 Q 2 (2) SB

4 Nathan STROTHER SR Tennessee 45.19 Q 1 (2)

5 Alejandro ZAPATA JR Liberty 45.28 Q 2 (3)

6 Chantz SAWYERS FR Florida 45.40 q 2 (4)

And all of these guys will be out of the sport after Tokyo 2020 because they won't be able to make it financially in this sport.

Yen wrote:

j walter wrote:

In the East, a little surprised that Alex Lomong didn't go through and that Daniel Kuhn nearly didn't go through, but that just lends credit to the notion that anything can happen in 800m rounds (especially two in two days).

Too bad, Alex could have had the possibility of being the first all-American in both XC and 800.

As noted, Peter Lomong was AA in XC

and Josh Kerr will do it next year if he doesn't go pro

Yen wrote:

j walter wrote:

In the East, a little surprised that Alex Lomong didn't go through and that Daniel Kuhn nearly didn't go through, but that just lends credit to the notion that anything can happen in 800m rounds (especially two in two days).

Too bad, Alex could have had the possibility of being the first all-American in both XC and 800.

Tony Waldrop would have accomplished this in the early 70's

Men's 400 Hurdles

Rai BENJAMIN JR USC 47.98 Q 2 (1) PB

2 Kemar MOWATT SR Arkansas 49.33 Q 3 (1)

3 Amere LATTIN JR Houston 49.70 Q 3 (2) PB

4 Norman GRIMES FR Texas Tech 49.89 Q 2 (2)

5 Infinite TUCKER SO Texas A&M 49.99 Q 1 (1)

6 Ilolo IZU JR Texas A&M 50.12 Q 1 (2)

7 Jacob SMITH SO Northern Iowa 50.13 Q 1 (3) PB

8 David KENDZIERA SR Illinois 50.30 Q 2 (3)

9 Maksims SINCUKOVS FR Arizona 50.62 q 1 (4) PB

10 Eric FOGLTANZ JR Iowa State 50.63 q 2 (4)

11 Cameron SAMUEL FR USC 50.67 Q 3 (3)

12 Chris DOUGLAS JR Iowa 50.70 q 2 (5)

13 Andrew NEAL SR Nebraska 50.71 1 (5) SB

14 Scott MECHAM JR BYU 50.89 2 (6)

15 Quivell JORDAN FR Houston 50.95 3 (4)

16 Jerrad MASON SR Missouri 50.97 1 (6) PB

17 Max SCHEIBLE SR BYU 51.14 1 (7)

18 Jackson DAVIS SR Texas A&M 51.64 3 (5)

19 Raymund CLARKE JR Iowa 51.76 3 (6)

20 Larry DONALD SR Arkansas 51.84 2 (7)

21 Malik METIVIER SO Drake 51.88 3 (7)

22 Tyler HART FR Texas A&M 52.29 2 (8)

23 Antwuan MUSGROVE JR Baylor 53.94 1 (8)

Jayson BALDRIDGE FR Baylor DQ 3

damn Ostrander made 9:40 solo in the steeple look so easy, have to think she could break 9:30 rn

Don't like people moving on with qualifying times. Gives unfair advantage to a fast heat and latter heats. Should all be based on place. My team BYU missed out with two 4ths in the steeple getting beat by a faster 6th placer. Also lost one in the 800m same thing.

East results

https://ukathletics.com/documents/2018/5/25/2018_NCAATF_East_Results_Day_Two.pdf

no West yet

blamb61 wrote:

Don't like people moving on with qualifying times. Gives unfair advantage to a fast heat and latter heats. Should all be based on place. My team BYU missed out with two 4ths in the steeple getting beat by a faster 6th placer. Also lost one in the 800m same thing.

Well the 6th placer ran that time in the first heat. Your boys had the advantage of knowing what time they had to run. If anything the first heat was at a disadvantage since the other guys had the choice to run faster than them. If they couldn’t run faster than that time, it’s on them

blamb61 wrote:

Don't like people moving on with qualifying times. Gives unfair advantage to a fast heat and latter heats. Should all be based on place. My team BYU missed out with two 4ths in the steeple getting beat by a faster 6th placer. Also lost one in the 800m same thing.

I don't know about that and I didn't watch the race so i'm not sure if he fell on a steeple or because of something else but Danny Carny fell on the final lap which is too bad because I think he had the potential factor in at nationals.

People are more impressed with men who have been AA in XC and 800 because:

1) men’s XC is 10k, not 6k and

2) men’s 800 is shorter (time-wise)

The “range” between the two efforts is significantly greater for men, both because one race is 4k longer and because the men’s 800 is a more anaerobic event than the women’s

vivalarepublica wrote:

Realidad wrote:

This was a crazy result. The kid (Frosh) runs under 45 for the first time(on a windy day) to take down a MASSIVELY talented field. What is UK doing so right?

1 Dwight ST HILLAIRE FR Kentucky 44.55 Q 1 (1) PB

2 Nathon ALLEN SO Auburn 44.76 Q 2 (1)

3 Akeem BLOOMFIELD SO Auburn 44.90 Q 2 (2) SB

4 Nathan STROTHER SR Tennessee 45.19 Q 1 (2)

5 Alejandro ZAPATA JR Liberty 45.28 Q 2 (3)

6 Chantz SAWYERS FR Florida 45.40 q 2 (4)

And all of these guys will be out of the sport after Tokyo 2020 because they won't be able to make it financially in this sport.

You wannaa bet? Shillaire is from Trinidad so he's big there. Allen and Bloomfield are Jamaican right? I

But let's say even if these people were American and even if they ended up without contracts, why couldn't a 23 year old find a way to get a job and workout for 3 hours a day?

Running with the buffs author Chris Lear once said it best to me, "Rojo, remember when we just got out of college and our only care in the world was making sure the rent was paid and running fast."

rojo wrote:

vivalarepublica wrote:

And all of these guys will be out of the sport after Tokyo 2020 because they won't be able to make it financially in this sport.

You wannaa bet? Shillaire is from Trinidad so he's big there. Allen and Bloomfield are Jamaican right? I

But let's say even if these people were American and even if they ended up without contracts, why couldn't a 23 year old find a way to get a job and workout for 3 hours a day?

Running with the buffs author Chris Lear once said it best to me, "Rojo, remember when we just got out of college and our only care in the world was making sure the rent was paid and running fast."

Don’t you have a trust fund?

Sore Loser wrote:

blamb61 wrote:

Don't like people moving on with qualifying times. Gives unfair advantage to a fast heat and latter heats. Should all be based on place. My team BYU missed out with two 4ths in the steeple getting beat by a faster 6th placer. Also lost one in the 800m same thing.

Well the 6th placer ran that time in the first heat. Your boys had the advantage of knowing what time they had to run. If anything the first heat was at a disadvantage since the other guys had the choice to run faster than them. If they couldn’t run faster than that time, it’s on them

The latter heats as a group do have an advantage (which I still don't like cause it's still not fair) but the advantage is for the whole group. If an individual pushes it hard, no guarantee that everyone one will follow and help. It is harder to push it from the front. Before this result, I was very negative on advancing on time and think it is a dumb idea.