Nutrition expert Victor Conte says it's best to train as soon as you wake up

Does he still counsel athletes? I'm asking for a "friend". If so, is there a email to contact him?

I find it harder to do a workout in the morning than in the evening...

Which is better? Doing a workout in the morning with lower results but higher testosterone?

Or doing a workout in the evening with better results but apparently lower testosterone?

Can any coaches weigh in?

jamin wrote:

Says your testosterone levels are twice as high in the mornings as in the evenings.

I thought his stance was that your testosterone levels can be whatever you want them to be any time.

Lantern wrote: Can any coaches weigh in?

I'll be perfectly honest with you, this is not something I have ever spent a great deal of time considering. the only reading I have done with regard to testosterone concerned the differences in the levels between men and women, and how this affects haemoglobin levels, and the impact this has on the difference between men's and women's world records, particularly in the marathon (9%).

I would have thought that the difference in testosterone levels throughout the day would be smaller by far than the effect of the body clock on performance. if you are not a morning person then high testosterone isn't going to help you train well in the morning, and, if you are a night owl low testosterone won't prevent you training well in the evening. but that is essentially just a guess. after all, women have low testosterone all the time, but seem to train best at the time of day determined by their body clock.

and, Victor Conte is a snake oil salesman, and the founder of Bay Area Co-operative, which was implicated in a lot of doping scandals involving former athletes like the drugs cheat Marion Jones, so I am more than a little confused as to why anything he says is given any credence on this forum. but there you go.

cheers.

Victor Conte= AKA Walkin' Fish???

"I'll be perfectly honest with you"

So you are usually not honest?

@cottonhead wrote: So you are usually not honest?

that is neither what I said nor what I meant.

the expression, "I'll be perfectly honest with you," has two uses in British English.

1. "this is a barefaced lie that I would very much appreciate you pretending you believe."

2. it is the British equivalent of the American, "So," a completely irrelevant precursor to the real start of the sentence.

most British people pretend that they can tell the difference.

cheers.

jamin wrote:

Says your testosterone levels are twice as high in the mornings as in the evenings.

Jamin, it's why you wake up in the morning with a hard on.

Cottonshirt wrote:

if you are not a morning person then high testosterone isn't going to help you train well in the morning, and, if you are a night owl low testosterone won't prevent you training well in the evening. but that is essentially just a guess.

Well thanks for the guess then, dr science.

No matter what you think of him, The man knows his science. If I were to juice ( I'm against it, but respect the science of it), he would be my go to guy. The guy can make a cocktail that would have no ill affect on your body whatsoever, but build up your body.

He totally changed the game for a lot of athletes. Before the CLEAR, athletes were taking OTC horse steroids and buying peds from the back of muscle magazines. That is why a lot of athletes had roid rage back then, and developed bad kidneys and livers.

Now the only thing athletes are concerned with is getting busted. Health issues related to PED use is basically a thing of the past.

What about sarcasm? Apparently at least one British person can't tell the difference.

Prost

10/10

I have serious doubts that Bolt ever took even a stride before noon.

Hormones are exactly the reason that training for anything other than the pole vault is untenable for me first thing in the morning.

Utter nonsense. I can barely even move beyond a shuffle for the first mile (often 10-12 minutes) when I get up and run from home within ten minutes of waking up and the second mile is still maybe high 8s or 9 minutes; the run improves gradually but rarely can I get in a good workout this way. On the contrary, if I get up and drive 20+ minutes to a park, I'll run my first mile usually around 8 minutes and then usually average around 7 minutes for the first ten and closer to 6 on the second ten. If I wake up and do a slow 7-8 miles early, help the kids get ready, etc. and go to run several hours after my first run, I can often get in a really good tempo or track workout. And evenings were always my best runs in the days when I didn't have to get up early to run. The physiological explanation starts with constricted blood vessels and bloodflow the first three hours after you wake up in the morning.

So this one here is only correct for men. Just like want want intercourse the mist in the morning, women want intercourse late afternoon. Therefore, physiologically, women should train late afternoon.

I haven't read enough of victors material to analyze any of his dietary recommendations, philosophies, or theories.

the430miler wrote:

So this one here is only correct for men. Just like want want intercourse the mist in the morning, women want intercourse late afternoon. Therefore, physiologically, women should train late afternoon.

I'm a guy and i prefer sex at night, preferably late night at 2am. Morning sex is boring.

That constriction requires more effort which is a better training effect. When you're effortlessly flowing along you could argue that you're not getting much training out of it.

Pretty sure hormones peak for athletic performance in the early afternoon. Evolutionary logic says this is ideal because the big cats of Africa would be napping and humans had the advantage in a persistence hunt in the midday heat.

Humans do get into routines and regular early morning runs would shift your hormonal schedule a bit to help with morning races.