So he showed you a great place to run and had an awesome Tecmo Bowl league 25 years ago. Must be a great guy! He should never be fired!
So he showed you a great place to run and had an awesome Tecmo Bowl league 25 years ago. Must be a great guy! He should never be fired!
Born In 1999 wrote:
methinks = white male privilege = human wrote:
You are one angry, sick dude. The game is up. You can't bully people into conformity anymore. That is YOUR trigger.
Having a spine and values does not equate to weakness. Perhaps in your next life you'll learn this important lesson. You're too angry over your loss of white male privilege to see it now. That is okay, God is forgiving even though your damaged athletes may not be.
Someone get this kid some Kleenex and a teddy bear!
Someone get this man child a spine and some integrity!
oh boo hoo- you can go stuff that Kleenex in your weak, denture filled mouth and the teddy bear up your aging colon. Your day of reckoning has come.
Everyone is free to speak up on their own free will and volition. If there’s nothing for him to be ashamed of here then why the uproar? Let’s face it, most of Metcalf’s defenders object to athletes exposing his vulnerable underbelly. Loyalty does not transcend boundaries of standard civility and decency. It’s a mistake of judgment to believe it does. This should serve as a warning to those of you who believe people can be bullied into silence and conformity. The youth of this country are better than that.
Get out of this sport now if you must resort to bullying in order to get your athletes to perform.
The problem is a disagreement on your milquetoast definition of bullying. It undermines real bullying.
growns up wrote:
The problem is a disagreement on your milquetoast definition of bullying. It undermines real bullying.
The true disagreement is over your mquetoast definition of toughness . It undermines real toughness and resiliency which knows no limits when it stems from a place of honor.
So, just a question for the Washington guy clearly posting over and over:
If 80% of your team is defending Metcalf; are they all sheep? What seems clear is that you feel as though you are 100% right and everyone else, even though they outnumber you, are wrong.
What makes your point of view the most important point of view?
see it? wrote:
growns up wrote:
The problem is a disagreement on your milquetoast definition of bullying. It undermines real bullying.
The true disagreement is over your mquetoast definition of toughness . It undermines real toughness and resiliency which knows no limits when it stems from a place of honor.
Do you consider going to the administration because your coach told you that you need to lose some f*cking weight an action born out of toughness?
*borne
Another former NCAA DIvision I athlete wrote:
So, just a question for the Washington guy clearly posting over and over:
If 80% of your team is defending Metcalf; are they all sheep? What seems clear is that you feel as though you are 100% right and everyone else, even though they outnumber you, are wrong.
What makes your point of view the most important point of view?
No, they’re not all sheep. Some may be, others may not have seen or experienced Metcalf’s abuse and still others may be like you who feel Metcalf upholds acceptable standards of conduct. You can’t blame people for coming forward and reporting what they view as an abuse of power. They have a point of view and a voice. That is in and of itself enough. If mistreatment and misconduct did not occur then Metcalf Would not be stepping down, now would he? What you dislike is the fact people are willing to listen to the voice of the few.
growns up wrote:
see it? wrote:
The true disagreement is over your mquetoast definition of toughness . It undermines real toughness and resiliency which knows no limits when it stems from a place of honor.
Do you consider going to the administration because your coach told you that you need to lose some f*cking weight an action born out of toughness?
Yes- you can not expect to grope people, verbally abuse them and invade their personal lives and expect not to called out on you inappropriate behavior.
You are quite adept at ignoring glaring red flags, aren’t you?
Bill Bowerman was considered brusque, if not crude, in many ways, but no one doubted his coaching ability. Greg did not get the results to justify his means, period. This left him vulnerable to the criticism that came down on him, justified or otherwise. If he wants to be a "tough guy" he has to accept tough demands for results as well. It's a two-way street. His one schtick was to be able to sell the program to visiting High School kids (actually, the UW campus did half the job for him). Eventually even that fell flat. Enter the hook stage left.
For those of you comparing him to Gags...*shakes head*.
Maybe your experiences are more the norm than I'd like to admit, but it certainly wasn't mine. At my school, distance was king as we scored the majority of points at big meets and we won a lot in cross. You couldn't be weak nor thin skinned. Too much work to put in, too much tradition. There was always someone ready to take your spot. At the same time, we weren't cocky about it. There was great admiration across our T&F program. We rooted for each other and had fun together.
Generally, I don't believe coaches need to be a**holes to be successful. I ran for a legend. He treated athletes with respect while holding us to the highest of standards. And I'm old, part of another generation, yet it wasn't 'old-school' coaching that wouldn't be acceptable now. Those values are still relevant today.
amusing wrote:
growns up wrote:
Do you consider going to the administration because your coach told you that you need to lose some f*cking weight an action born out of toughness?
Yes- you can not expect to grope people, verbally abuse them and invade their personal lives and expect not to called out on you inappropriate behavior.
You are quite adept at ignoring glaring red flags, aren’t you?
I don't consider pinching some guy's belly and telling him he needs to lean up as a glaring red flag. And I don't consider reporting it to be an act of a tough man.
growns up wrote:
amusing wrote:
Yes- you can not expect to grope people, verbally abuse them and invade their personal lives and expect not to called out on you inappropriate behavior.
You are quite adept at ignoring glaring red flags, aren’t you?
I don't consider pinching some guy's belly and telling him he needs to lean up as a glaring red flag. And I don't consider reporting it to be an act of a tough man.
No sh@#- really? Hum. Well, be advised some do so it’s best not to cross that line lest you suffer the same fall from grace as Metcaf.
I am aware of the current environment and that even yelling splits at runners could somehow now be misconstrued as a microaggression warranting reporting to the coach's boss. You don't have to worry about me, snowflake.
I don't consider pinching some guy's belly and telling him he needs to lean up as a glaring red flag. And I don't consider reporting it to be an act of a tough man.
Uhhh. It’s called battery, potentially sexual harassment... walk around down town pinching people’s stomachs and telling them to lean out. See how long before the PD has you in cuffs.
You don’t go around touching people. That’s just like... societal norms...
How is anyone even surprised? You go around acting like a dick and eventually people act like a dick back to you? Never heard of this phenomenon. Brings me to the conclusion that he either has exceptionally low IQ to the point that he can’t comprehend societal standards, orrrr he thinks he is a special exception to the standards.
It’s not hard to behave yourself.
growns up wrote:
I am aware of the current environment and that even yelling splits at runners could somehow now be misconstrued as a microaggression warranting reporting to the coach's boss. You don't have to worry about me, snowflake.
I'm calling BS. I've been coaching over 25 years. Nothing of the sort is true.
Do you think he stepped down because, if not, he was faced with a lawsuit/scandal the likes of Michigan/Penn State? Not to that degree, but it could've gotten ugly?
growns up wrote:
I am aware of the current environment and that even yelling splits at runners could somehow now be misconstrued as a microaggression warranting reporting to the coach's boss. You don't have to worry about me, snowflake.
Yes this is why Metcalf was reported and removed from his position at UW. For microagressions (*snicker*).
I don’t worry about angry little trolls like you. You evoke nothing but pity and bafflement from me.
methinks wrote:
growns up wrote:
I am aware of the current environment and that even yelling splits at runners could somehow now be misconstrued as a microaggression warranting reporting to the coach's boss. You don't have to worry about me, snowflake.
Yes this is why Metcalf was reported and removed from his position at UW. For microagressions (*snicker*).
I don’t worry about angry little trolls like you. You evoke nothing but pity and bafflement from me.
So we agree there are times when a coach can be stern, we're just negotiating the line.